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(Message started by: fizyka on Oct 1^st, 2011, 5:02am)

Title: Paradoxes
Post by fizyka on Oct 1^st, 2011, 5:02am

They aren't really a riddles but they are preatty good to think of :)
For example think about this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence_paradox

Or that one from serial FUTURAMA in episode farnsworth parabox:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Farnsworth_Parabox
What You think is that logical that universe1 contains box1 in what is universe2 which contain box2 whick box contain universe1 ? For me it makes no sense...

Title: Re: Paradoxes
Post by towr on Oct 1^st, 2011, 1:01pm

on 10/01/11 at 05:02:39, fizyka wrote:

For example think about this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence_paradox

It's come up before, and I still not sure it's really a paradox, because performing an action changes the state you're in. So while you may be omnipotent one minute, you may through your action no longer be so the next.

Quote:

Or that one from serial FUTURAMA in episode farnsworth parabox:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Farnsworth_Parabox
What You think is that logical that universe1 contains box1 in what is universe2 which contain box2 whick box contain universe1 ? For me it makes no sense...

I don't think I ever saw that universe, but from the description it does not sound much more puzzling to me than to have a room with a door to a room that has a door back to the first room. In what way does either box "contain" the other universe in any sense more real than being a doorway to it?

Title: Re: Paradoxes
Post by fizyka on Oct 5^th, 2011, 4:03pm

Ok, but in the futurama they say that this box really contains whole universe
and at the end day exchange their boxes and in universe1 they have box that contains universe1 how to explain this?

Title: Re: Paradoxes
Post by rmsgrey on Oct 6^th, 2011, 5:40am

on 10/05/11 at 16:03:53, fizyka wrote:

Ok, but in the futurama they say that this box really contains whole universe
and at the end day exchange their boxes and in universe1 they have box that contains universe1 how to explain this?

It's bigger on the inside...

Title: Re: Paradoxes
Post by towr on Oct 6^th, 2011, 8:41am

Like a tardis.

Besides, the universe is just a hologram anyway.

Title: Re: Paradoxes
Post by Grimbal on Oct 6^th, 2011, 9:55am

on 10/05/11 at 16:03:53, fizyka wrote:

Ok, but in the futurama they say that this box really contains whole universe
and at the end day exchange their boxes and in universe1 they have box that contains universe1 how to explain this?

I haven't seen the episode, but the way I understand it, you have to enter the box to emerge in the other universe. You cannot bring the parallel box (containing the original universe) back to the original universe, because you would have to open the parallel box and throw that same box into it.

I will believe it when I see it. :P

PS: what I wonder is how gravity works around these boxes. At what point does a massive object that comes out of the box start to bend the universe? And how does the curvature of space spread to the universe? You cannot add positive curvature in the middle of non-curved space.