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Title: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by checker on Feb 19th, 2007, 3:43am All types of answers are invited to this forum....................... |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by towr on Feb 19th, 2007, 3:54am Define chicken and egg in the context of the question. The answer follows from the definition. Certainly eggs existed before chickens. Dinosaurs laid eggs, as well as many earleir life forms. But if you mean "What was first, the chicken egg or the chicken" Well, then it depends on whether you define a chicken egg as "an egg from which a chicken hatches" or "an egg laid by a chicken". Both definitions are used by different people. In as much as there is a first 'chicken egg' and a first 'chicken' (which evolution tells us there isn't). Then in the first case the egg was first, in the second case the chicken was first. In reality there's a large grey era of not-quite-although-possibly-chickens and not-quite-although-possibly-chicken-eggs between what we clearly recognise as chickens and chicken eggs, and their ancesters which we'd recognise as clearly not. And various people would lay the distinction at different points along the line. If anyone wants to beat this dead horse any further, be my guest. |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by JiNbOtAk on Feb 19th, 2007, 5:25pm Why is the question always about chicken ? It would be just as acceptable if we were to question which one came first, the egg or the duck, the egg or the goose, the egg or the snake...( the list becomes endless ) What about animals who gave birth ? Major religions ( Islam, Christian & Judaism ) believes that the first man - Adam, was created as an adult. Is that true for all the animals in the animal kingdom ? Any comments ? |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by THUDandBLUNDER on Feb 19th, 2007, 6:00pm on 02/19/07 at 03:43:26, checker wrote:
The chicken; although the egg was leading it didn't know what to do when it came to the road. |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by fiziwig on Feb 19th, 2007, 6:01pm If an animal hatched from an egg and that animal could properly be classified as a chicken then the egg from which it hatched came first. Something, which was "not quite" a chicken, laid an egg and from that egg came a chicken. However, whether we define that egg as a "chicken egg" depends upon whether we classify the egg according to what laid it or according to what hatched from it. Therefore the answer to the question depends entirely upon which criteria is used to define "chicken egg". However, (as the question was originally framed), in asking if "the egg" came before "the chicken" the original question did not specify "chicken egg", but merely "egg". Therefore, regardless of how "chicken egg" is defined, "the egg" clearly came first. |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by checker on Feb 19th, 2007, 9:07pm I hav deeply gone through the question and it was really confusing ...................seriously What I meant with 'egg' was 'chickens egg' only........to mark the beginning of evolution the Egg might be the hav appeared first .............if thing it as hibrid development of some species.......or if we think in terms of adaption then Chicken might hav appeared first |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by fiziwig on Feb 21st, 2007, 5:32pm Given that all life on earth was created by nanobiotic cloning by aliens from Alpha Centauri, clearly the cloned chicken came first. In fact, chicken 1.0 had no orifice for egg laying so it was actually not until chicken version 2.3 that the egg-laying mechanism made it past beta testing into the full production release. |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by alien2 on Jul 20th, 2014, 12:55pm Eggs have to be incubated, so I would guess that the chicken came first. The hen was lonely so from her rib God created a rooster. |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by Lupin on Jul 20th, 2014, 9:56pm It says in the bible that God created all animals, so the chicken wins. Science says that the chicken evolved and at some time the chicken as we know it appeared and it must have come out of an egg, so the egg wins. I favor the latter. But the best answer was given by an ten year old kid: “The egg, of course. You have eggs for breakfast and chicken for dinner.” |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by dudiobugtron on Jul 21st, 2014, 12:20am on 02/19/07 at 03:54:20, towr wrote:
7 years late to the party, but I hope your invitation still stands! :) People usually talk about this question in the context of the egg or chicken in general. But what about a particular chicken, and its egg? The case isn't as clear cut as you might think initially. Chickens reproduce in an interesting way. The female gathers and stores sperm with which to fertilise its ova when they are released. Obviously the ovum (what in humans we'd call 'the egg' - in chickens we usually call it 'the yolk') came first, but it doesn't have its trademark shell, and most people wouldn't consider the egg to be an egg yet at that stage. Once the yolk is released, it is fertilised, and then surrounded by the albumen and shell later on, before finally being laid. The interesting part, of course, is that the chicken in the egg was conceived before the shell was put around it. Many people think that humans start being human at the moment of conception. Is this true for chickens too? If so, then the chicken therefore came before the egg. |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by towr on Jul 21st, 2014, 8:53am That's an interesting take on the problem. |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by towr on Jul 21st, 2014, 11:50am Also, the chicken came first alphabetically. |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by rloginunix on Jul 21st, 2014, 9:16pm If we are to look at it using a scientific method I'd suggest reducing the situation to simplest terms. In Number Theory that's digits which, according to certain rules, make up numbers which have certain properties. In Physics it's quarks and gluons which, according to certain rules, make up protons and neutrons which, together with electrons, make up atoms which make up molecules which make up certain acids - DNA. A, C, G, T and so on. I'm not a DNA specialist but I would compare the age of the "make-the-egg-shell" gene/marker with the age of the "chicken-species"* gene/marker. I think they count the number of mutations in a gene for that (but I could be wrong). Chickens are birds, birds descended from avian (theropod) dinosaurs so I imagine you would have to go pretty far back in time. But as we all know the dinosaur DNA has been extracted already, in the "Jurassic Park" ... In any case, the oldest gene/marker answers the question. * The reason I say this is because I saw a PBS Nova episode where the scientists have found the "Neanderthal DNA" in the modern Europeans which tells me that there have to be genes that are species specific. |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by towr on Jul 21st, 2014, 10:11pm on 07/21/14 at 21:16:48, rloginunix wrote:
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by rmsgrey on Jul 22nd, 2014, 6:26am on 07/21/14 at 22:11:52, towr wrote:
Yeah, what they mean is that there's a gene pool which is associated with the Neanderthal (sub-)species, and a gene pool associated with (early) "modern humans" and it turns out that current-day modern humans have a lot of the genes that are in the Neanderthal gene pool, but not the early modern human gene pool - as much as 20% of the Neanderthal-specific gene pool may be in the modern population too. |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by rloginunix on Jul 22nd, 2014, 2:35pm You are right, towr. What I meant to say didn't come out right. rmsgrey explained it better. I wanted to say that the "Neanderthal DNA in modern homo sapiens" discovery tells me that there are genes (markers) that identify species uniquely. Without this observation my idea would never hatch. Turtles, snakes, crocodiles, lizards (to name just a few) also lay hard shell eggs. So to make a unique positive identifications we would need a gene pool associated with just chickens. |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by dudiobugtron on Jul 22nd, 2014, 5:07pm I'm pretty sure any set of genes which uniquely identified something as a chicken would not be present in its pre-chicken ancestors. Is your suggestion though that some of them might be? Also note there are probably many different sets of genes which would each lead to something laying hard-shelled eggs. |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by towr on Jul 22nd, 2014, 11:02pm on 07/22/14 at 14:35:52, rloginunix wrote:
... according to http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/science/eggshell/eggshell1.php Quote:
Anyway, you don't need gene-markers to tell you that hard-shelled eggs (or any other kind) came before the chicken species. But this won't tell you if the chicken-egg came before the chicken or vice versa. |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by rmsgrey on Jul 23rd, 2014, 5:29am on 07/22/14 at 17:07:44, dudiobugtron wrote:
The thing is, the gene pool of "chickens" today is different from the gene pool of "chickens" 500 years ago, let alone the impossible-to-define "first population" of "chickens". Insofar as there is a "first chicken", there was a population of proto-chickens, with a gene pool containing all the genes of the first chicken, and those genes all happened to come together in one individual for the first time. that chicken may not even have reproduced, and it's almost certain that any offspring it did have were proto-chickens rather than chickens. It's only as the other alleles dropped out of the proto-chicken gene pool that chickens would reliably have other chickens as offspring. Identifying species is known to be a hard problem. |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by alien2 on Jul 25th, 2014, 5:38am Quote:
Neither. Bacteria-like organisms came first. |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by JaneBD on Aug 3rd, 2014, 11:47am It's the EGGGGGG! Explanation - Without the egg the chicken could not exist. The egg could have come from another species of animal, therefore through evolution the chicken was born. Overtime each animal produced from the egg would mutate slightly UNTIL it became a chicken! Either that OR ... God made it hahash ;) Sorry to any religious people ... |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by JaneBD on Aug 3rd, 2014, 11:48am Also - aren't birds meant to have evolved from dinosaurs? Well the one's that survived. |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by thechickster on Aug 3rd, 2014, 4:57pm The never ending battle...... THE CHICKEN lol. |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by JaneBD on Aug 5th, 2014, 2:57am How can it be the chicken - without the egg the chicken can't [b][/b]EGGIST[u][/u], it needs to be born first. |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by JaneBD on Aug 7th, 2014, 4:54am OK I've got it ... If you look in the dictionary ;) CHICKEN comes FIRST. |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by dudiobugtron on Aug 7th, 2014, 1:56pm Are you sure? If you look up 'albumen' you'll see that the word egg comes well before the entry for chicken. :P |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by lillianj on Aug 19th, 2014, 11:54am Who came first egg or chicken egg come first and then the chicken :) |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by Grimbal on Aug 20th, 2014, 6:24am If you are a gentleman, the chick comes first. |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by dudiobugtron on Aug 20th, 2014, 6:18pm on 08/20/14 at 06:24:05, Grimbal wrote:
But what if you're an egg? |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by wakiza33 on Sep 12th, 2014, 11:44am An amoeba looks more like an egg than a chicken... Silly response, but it has some validity. |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by rmsgrey on Sep 13th, 2014, 6:38am on 09/12/14 at 11:44:30, wakiza33 wrote:
But it behaves more like a chicken than an egg... |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by wakiza33 on Sep 13th, 2014, 9:27pm on 09/13/14 at 06:38:55, rmsgrey wrote:
Explain? |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by rmsgrey on Sep 14th, 2014, 8:15am on 09/13/14 at 21:27:27, wakiza33 wrote:
It's mobile, it eats, it interacts with its surroundings in a purposeful manner, it's in the reproductive phase of its life-cycle... The main difference between an egg and a pebble in terms of behaviour is that the pebble probably doesn't exchange gases with its environment (or at least the gases it emits are the same mix as the ones it absorbs) - and even that's not true of all pebbles. |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by Annettagiles on Sep 22nd, 2014, 4:46am I think this question will be in the world still the world demolishes but no one can tell the answer for this question |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by Annettagiles on Nov 4th, 2014, 3:43am chicken is my answer because without that egg is not possible |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by csendra on Nov 5th, 2014, 11:24pm there is almost number of year to debate on this question that who came first if we see practically without egg there is no means of the chicken |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by alien2 on Nov 26th, 2014, 7:35am Quote:
Come is slang for experiencing sexual orgasm. And since the egg cannot experience orgasm, I'd say that the chicken came first. |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by JiNbOtAk on Mar 15th, 2015, 8:50pm on 11/26/14 at 07:35:52, alien2 wrote:
Really? I thought it's the slang for the produce of sexual orgasm.. |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by towr on Mar 15th, 2015, 11:19pm It can be both, just like breath can be a verb for doing breathing or a noun for what is breathed. |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by bal on Mar 30th, 2015, 2:28am The egg comes first. The first chicken was born as a child of a pacifist crocodile. :D |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by rloginunix on Apr 4th, 2015, 12:45pm Thanking Leonard Euler let us contemplate the following: After a whole day of trading at the local market two women have sold 100 chicken eggs in total. While one woman sold more chicken eggs than the other both of them have made the same amount of money: - You know, if I were selling your chicken eggs I would have made 15 Kreuzers. - Ha, and if I were selling your chicken eggs I would have made 6 and 2/3 Kreuzers. How many chicken eggs did each woman sell, at what price and what was per woman take home? |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by towr on Apr 5th, 2015, 10:48am [hide] Turning the wordy problem into a set of equations gives me a+b = 100 a*p = b*q b*p = 15 a*q = 20/3 Then if we multiply the middle two equations and divide by the fourth, we get a*p*b*p*20/3 = a*q*b*q*15 which simplifies to (q/p)2 = 4/9 a, b, p and q are positive (because we're dealing with eggs not some wonky financial derivative), so q = 2/3 p And the rest quickly follows, a = 2/3 b a,b = 40,60 p,q = 1/4, 1/6 ap = bq = 10 [/hide] |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by rloginunix on Apr 5th, 2015, 11:08am Beautiful. Finally something we all can agree on ... |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by anglia on Jul 23rd, 2015, 9:56pm So in a nutshell (or an eggshell, if you like), two birds that weren't really chickens created a chicken egg, and hence, we have an answer: The egg came first, and then it hatched a chicken. Maybe the question we should be asking is: Which came first, the proto-chicken or the proto-chicken egg? |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by rmsgrey on Jul 24th, 2015, 6:42am on 07/23/15 at 21:56:55, anglia wrote:
So you believe that a chicken egg is an egg from which a chicken hatches rather than an egg laid by a chicken? |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by anglia on Aug 14th, 2015, 11:29pm This question is very interesting. It always put everybody in shock. I think egg came first. But if see according to alphabetical then chicken. This is very perplexing question. Can you give a proper answer for this? |
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Title: Re: Who came first egg or chicken!!!!!!!!!! Post by alien2 on Sep 8th, 2015, 5:51am If the first person (egg) was a coward (chicken), then surely both the egg and the chicken came first because they are one and the same person. |
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