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(Message started by: BMAD on May 25th, 2014, 8:34am)
Title: who always lies?
Post by BMAD on May 25th, 2014, 8:34am
Mike joins a campfire with three friends.  After five minutes, Mike is bored and decides to start up a conversation:
(speaker- dialogue)

Mike- Tell me something interesting.
Adam-one of us is always a liar.
Mike-Really?
Eric- Yes. They always lie, but one of us is also always a truth teller.
Mike- Oh, cool, well then …that would mean that Sam is the ‘always liar.’
Sam- Yes, yes I am.
Mike-…What? Wait a minute.  I thought you were always a liar.
Sam- Yes I am.
Eric-He is.
Mike-He is?
Eric-yes
Sam-yes
Mike-yes?
Adam-no.
Mike-no.
Sam-no.
Mike-wait….then does that make Eric the liar?
Eric- Yes
Sam- No
Adam-yes
Mike- What??


**Who is the ‘always’ liar?
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by Grimbal on May 26th, 2014, 12:39am
 Mike-yes?
 Adam-no.
 Mike-no.
 
Mike replies to its own question?

 Eric- Yes. They always lie, but one of us is also always a truth teller.

If Eric lies, is each sentence a lie?  In the second sentence, is both "They always lie" and "one of us is also always a truth teller" a lie?

 Mike- Oh, cool, well then …that would mean that Sam is the ‘always liar.’

Is that a statement, or a question?
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by Grimbal on May 26th, 2014, 12:50am
In every case, it is possible that everyone sometimes lies.
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by UgoLocal02 on Jun 11th, 2014, 11:21pm
No one is liar all of them lie but not always.
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by BMAD on Jun 12th, 2014, 6:11am
One (and only one) of them does always lies.  
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by BMAD on Jun 12th, 2014, 6:14am

on 05/26/14 at 00:39:26, Grimbal wrote:
 Mike-yes?
 Adam-no.
 Mike-no.
 
Mike replies to its own question?

---He was surprised by the response they gave before him.

 Eric- Yes. They always lie, but one of us is also always a truth teller.

If Eric lies, is each sentence a lie?  In the second sentence, is both "They always lie" and "one of us is also always a truth teller" a lie?

It depends.  If he always lies then the above must be a lie.  If he only lies some of the time then it may or may not be true.

 Mike- Oh, cool, well then …that would mean that Sam is the ‘always liar.’

Is that a statement, or a question?


It is a statement.  He (thinks he) is identifying the liar.
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by bal on Jul 5th, 2014, 2:03pm
Maybe [hide]Eric[/hide]?
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by BMAD on Jul 5th, 2014, 2:44pm

on 07/05/14 at 14:03:34, bal wrote:
Maybe [hide]Eric[/hide]?


nice try but no.
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by dudiobugtron on Jul 5th, 2014, 5:41pm
I didn't realise this was still active!

I think it is [hide]Mike, because each of the others says a combination of statements that can't all be false when taken together.[/hide]
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by EdwardSmith on Jul 6th, 2014, 8:22am
All three of them sometimes lie and sometimes tell the truth.
This cannot be proved otherwise.
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by riddler358 on Sep 13th, 2014, 12:51pm
Both Sam and Eric say the're always liar, which always liar would not say.
Both Adam and Mike say Sam is not always liar, which is true.
Adam tellin truth also eliminates possibility that his statement "one of us is always liar" is a lie

I can't see any way for it to work
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by dudiobugtron on Sep 13th, 2014, 2:35pm
Mike doesn't say Sam is not the always liar.
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by riddler358 on Sep 13th, 2014, 2:45pm
Mike-…What? Wait a minute.  I thought you were always a liar.
Sam- Yes I am.
Eric-He is.
Mike-He is?
Eric-yes
Sam-yes
Mike-yes?
Adam-no.
Mike-no.
Sam-no.
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by junichiro on Sep 15th, 2014, 12:11pm

on 07/06/14 at 08:22:55, EdwardSmith wrote:
All three of them sometimes lie and sometimes tell the truth.
This cannot be proved otherwise.


That's what I'm getting too.
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by parasadmaduranga on Sep 20th, 2014, 3:36am
you are lying
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by Annettagiles on Nov 4th, 2014, 3:40am
eric i think so
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by AllenTrendin on Nov 15th, 2014, 11:42pm
Eric and Mike are telling lies i think.
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by Littleton on Nov 22nd, 2014, 3:53am
Adam is the first liar. He said something without any fact.
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by anglia on Jul 23rd, 2015, 10:02pm
it's too confusing but maybe Sam?
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by BMAD on Jul 24th, 2015, 7:28am
The answer is

Mike

sorry it wouldn't let me hide it.

I first posted this problem at http://brainden.com/forum/index.php?/topic/16151-the-always-liar/

You can see the reasoned solution here...among other fun problems.
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by anglia on Aug 14th, 2015, 11:24pm
No one is lying in this discussion. Everybody is identifying themselves.
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by oceanvibe on Oct 9th, 2015, 1:37am
From my point of view, [hide]Mike[/hide] is always a liar. He always responds with questions and not straight answers. The other guys kind of exclude themselves out.
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by Grimbal on Mar 22nd, 2016, 7:48am
Technically, yes.
If [hide]Mike[/hide] never makes a statement but only asks questions then all his statements are lies.  He can be an "always liar" without actually telling any lie.
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by anglia on Apr 16th, 2016, 4:59am
i think Mike is lier.
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by gitanas on Jun 22nd, 2016, 4:43am
I guess Eric
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by alien2 on Mar 29th, 2017, 5:50am

Quote:
who always lies?

Not me. I always tell the truth. Even when I lie.  
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by Grimbal on May 2nd, 2017, 4:13am
I never lie.

Except in bed, of course.

Like, "I swear, I am not married!".
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by alien2 on May 2nd, 2017, 4:48am
And I take it when you get back home you say: 'I swear, you are the only one!'; unless, of course, this sudden statement somehow sounds a bit suspicious.
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by Grimbal on May 2nd, 2017, 8:45am
OK, ok, married has 2 Rs.

btw
- Tell me, am I your only love?
- Of course, you are.  I don't know why you all ask the same question.
Title: Re: who always lies?
Post by alien2 on May 2nd, 2017, 8:55am
And who posed that question? Your better half? Or you?

Have a nice day, buddy!


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