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(Message started by: FiBsTeR on Sep 26^th, 2007, 4:35am)

Title: Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
Post by FiBsTeR on Sep 26^th, 2007, 4:35am

Are the numbers on the right side of the table part of the original spreadsheet, or did you add those?

Title: Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
Post by Grimbal on Sep 26^th, 2007, 9:33am

Could we have some background of where these numbers come from?

To me it looks like a lottery. There are 350 draws. Each draw produces one digit. The digits are tabulated in a way to show which number comes out the most. The sums at the right are nonsense in my opinion.

In short, if these are the results of a lottery, (which would explain why you are ready to pay $70), forget it. There is no way to predict what will happen.

Title: Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
Post by FiBsTeR on Sep 26^th, 2007, 3:02pm

Yeah, the formulas on the right appeared to be just random sums and averages. If you're trying to predict a future lottery, I think you should offer a little more than $70. 8)

Title: Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
Post by Grimbal on Sep 27^th, 2007, 1:22am

On the right, you have the sum of the row, and the sum of all the same rows across tables. If the tabulated numbers are draw numbers, It is nonsense to compute these sums.

The gray areas seem to compare an "ideal" 100 draws where each digit appears 10 times and a real draw where the frequencies differ randomly.

Only if the draws are made electronically and with a very simple random generator there is a chance to explain the sequence.

Title: Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
Post by wustvn on Sep 27^th, 2007, 1:50am

I add that while trying to calculate the numbers...
on 09/26/07 at 04:35:00, FiBsTeR wrote:

Are the numbers on the right side of the table part of the original spreadsheet, or did you add those?

Title: Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
Post by wustvn on Sep 27^th, 2007, 2:01am

It's just a puzzle my friend gave me, which I think the numbers have very artistic formation.
I put bet US$ 100 to my friend that nobody can solve this..

on 09/26/07 at 09:33:53, Grimbal wrote:

Could we have some background of where these numbers come from?

To me it looks like a lottery. There are 351 draws. Each draw produces one digit. The digits are tabulated in a way to show which number comes out the most. The sums at the right are nonsense in my opinion.

In short, if these are the results of a lottery, (which would explain why you are ready to pay $70), forget it. There is no way to predict what will happen.

Title: Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
Post by Grimbal on Sep 27^th, 2007, 2:03am

So if we solve it, you loose $170?

Title: Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
Post by SMQ on Sep 27^th, 2007, 5:49am

In case it turns out to have some relevance to the puzzle, would you mind if I asked what country/culture your friend and you are from?

--SMQ

Title: Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
Post by wustvn on Sep 27^th, 2007, 11:59pm

Both of us, I and my friend, were born in Bali, Indonesia. There's no lottery in Indonesia, it's illegal here.

on 09/27/07 at 05:49:51, SMQ wrote:

In case it turns out to have some relevance to the puzzle, would you mind if I asked what country/culture your friend and you are from?

--SMQ

Title: Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
Post by wustvn on Sep 28^th, 2007, 12:01am

Yuup, I am ready for it, win $ 100 or loose $ 170. It's just for fun..

on 09/27/07 at 02:03:21, Grimbal wrote:

So if we solve it, you loose $170?

Title: Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
Post by FiBsTeR on Sep 28^th, 2007, 7:20am

Does your friend ~~claim to~~ have a solution that makes sense?

Title: Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
Post by towr on Sep 28^th, 2007, 7:23am

Are the tables seperate puzzles, or do they all go together.

Maybe there's a function F: http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/bbn.gif http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBImages/symbols/to.gif {1, .. , 10} for each of the tables.

Title: Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
Post by Grimbal on Sep 28^th, 2007, 7:43am

The tables boil down to 20 sequences of 350 digits.

If it is not a lottery, it could be something like the San Jose Semaphore Puzzle (http://www.sanjosesemaphore.com/decoding.pdf).

Title: Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
Post by wustvn on Sep 29^th, 2007, 12:15am

I don't know either. We're not genius enough to find the solution, that's why we put this thread here, and make a $ 100 gambling on it..

on 09/28/07 at 07:23:46, towr wrote:

Title: Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
Post by Grimbal on Sep 29^th, 2007, 1:24pm

Table 2, row 3, there is 2 times the number 292. Is it intentional?

Title: Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
Post by denis on Sep 29^th, 2007, 3:50pm

The same puzzle also posted here:

http://www.scienceforums.net/forum/showthread.php?p=360624

http://www.kaskus.us/showthread.php?t=634785

Nothing wrong with that but they all offer a reward of $70. So if it gets solved, you are looking at at least $310 to loose.

Title: Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
Post by wustvn on Sep 30^th, 2007, 12:12am

It was mis-typed, 262 and 292

on 09/29/07 at 13:24:04, Grimbal wrote:

Table 2, row 3, there is 2 times the number 292. Is it intentional?

Title: Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
Post by wustvn on Sep 30^th, 2007, 12:18am

And many other forums. Remark only the first one find the answers shall be rewarded US $ 70.

on 09/29/07 at 15:50:39, denis wrote:

Title: Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
Post by Grimbal on Sep 30^th, 2007, 7:43am

There is no 278 or 279 in Table 3.

Did you copy it down from paper or did you make up the tables yourself?

Title: Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
Post by wustvn on Sep 30^th, 2007, 11:55pm

278 at row 7 column 24, 279 at row 3 column 26.
I typed it to Microsoft Excel from the paper, so it could be few mis-typed..

Title: Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
Post by wustvn on Nov 18^th, 2007, 12:37am

I need to write again here what I’ve been doing to this puzzle, though this had been written partly in other forum. I assume you guys have seen the file sept09A.xls.
I’m not a puzzle mania, this puzzle just disturbs my mind. So to those whoever interested in this puzzle, I THINK the tables in my explanation below are the “keys” of this puzzle because:
1).Their shapes are quite different from other tables, where numbers 1 to 40 are only in certain rows. Especially in Table 45, numbers 1 to 40 are only in rows 1 & 10. (This can also approve that this is not a random case. Do you guys agree with that?). Meanwhile for other tables, numbers 1 to 40 spread almost in rows 1 to 10.
2).These tables have similar shapes each other.
E.g:
Table 45 has similar shape with Table 49 & Table 53.
Table 57 has similar shape with Table 61 & Table 65.
Here below I think tables that have similar shapes:
45,57,69,81,93,105,117,129,141,153,165,177,189,201,213,225,237,249,261,2 73.
with
49,61,73,85,97,109,121,133,145,157,169,181,193,205,217,229,241,253,265,2 77.
and
53,65,77,89,101,113,125,137,149,161,173,185,197,209,221,233,245,257,269, 281.

These tables “themselves” look similar.
E.g:
Table 49 looks similar with Table 169.
Table 73 looks similar with Table 193.
Here below I think tables look similar:
49,73,97,121,145,53,77,101,125,149,57,81,105,129,153,61,85,109,133,157,6 5,89,113,137,161,69,93,117,141,45
with
169,193,217,241,265,173,197,221,245,269,177,201,225,249,273,181,205,229, 253,277,185,209,233,257,281,189,213,237,261,165

Next time I’ll try to explain more details about the gray areas (my approaching method) as shown in Table 1, sheet #1, file sept09A.xls.
Yeah, for its big sizes, this puzzle is really tough. Needs geniuses to crack it, at least above averages…