wu :: forums
« wu :: forums - Separating points with lines »

Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register.
Apr 23rd, 2024, 12:14am

RIDDLES SITE WRITE MATH! Home Home Help Help Search Search Members Members Login Login Register Register
   wu :: forums
   riddles
   medium
(Moderators: Icarus, william wu, towr, Eigenray, Grimbal, SMQ, ThudnBlunder)
   Separating points with lines
« Previous topic | Next topic »
Pages: 1  Reply Reply Notify of replies Notify of replies Send Topic Send Topic Print Print
   Author  Topic: Separating points with lines  (Read 1270 times)
Aryabhatta
Uberpuzzler
*****






   


Gender: male
Posts: 1321
Separating points with lines   points.JPG
« on: Jul 21st, 2004, 2:38pm »
Quote Quote Modify Modify

You have a square and 9 points in the square arranged like a grid. (See Attachment)
 
1) What is the minimum number of straight lines that must be drawn so that each of the 9 points is in a region of its own?
(i.e if you pick any two points A, B from the 9 points, the line segment AB should intersect at least one of the lines you have drawn)
 
2) What is the minimum number in the second case? (See Attachment)
 
[EDIT]
 
 
To be clear: 8 points lie on a smaller square and the ninth point is the center of that square. The 8 points are the vertices of the smaller square  and the midpoints of the sides.
 
For part 2) The figure is same as part 1) except the bottom right and the center points have been removed.
 
The figure does not look like it, but gives you the picture.
 
[EDIT]
 
« Last Edit: Jul 21st, 2004, 2:42pm by Aryabhatta » IP Logged

towr
wu::riddles Moderator
Uberpuzzler
*****



Some people are average, some are just mean.

   


Gender: male
Posts: 13730
Re: Separating points with lines  
« Reply #1 on: Jul 21st, 2004, 3:07pm »
Quote Quote Modify Modify

::
lowerbound for 1) is ceil(log2(9)) = 4
and it's easy to see 4 lines is enough, so it's the minimum
o|o|o
-+-+-
o|o|o
-+-+-
o|o|o
 
lowerbound for 2) is ceil(log2(7)) = 3
But I don't yet see how to arrange 3 lines to accomplish the task.. (It isn't necessarily possible, if the points were all on one line I'd get the same expression as above for the lowerbound, but obviously 6 lines would be needed)
 
::
IP Logged

Wikipedia, Google, Mathworld, Integer sequence DB
Leo Broukhis
Senior Riddler
****





   


Gender: male
Posts: 459
Re: Separating points with lines  
« Reply #2 on: Jul 21st, 2004, 3:33pm »
Quote Quote Modify Modify

Consider the convex hull of the 7 dots. It is a "heptagon".
There is no way to cross all 7 sides with 3 lines.
IP Logged
Pages: 1  Reply Reply Notify of replies Notify of replies Send Topic Send Topic Print Print

« Previous topic | Next topic »

Powered by YaBB 1 Gold - SP 1.4!
Forum software copyright © 2000-2004 Yet another Bulletin Board