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Center of a finite group  
« on: Mar 15th, 2007, 10:05pm »
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Let  G  be a finite group such that, for each positive integer  n  dividing the
order of  G, there is at most one subgroup of  G  of order  n .  
 
Suppose  p  is the smallest prime dividing the order of  G  and let  z  in  G  be  
an element of order  p.  
 
Show that  z  is in the center of  G .
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« Reply #1 on: Mar 16th, 2007, 12:20am »
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My group theory is rusty, but I will give it a shot.
 
Let z be an element of order p (where p is the smallest prime)
 
Consider the conjugacy class Cz. All we need to show is |Cz| = 1.
 
Suppose Cz =/= {z} (otherwise there is nothing to prove)
 
Let y \in Cz
 
Cleary y^p = e (as z^p = e)
 
Consider the cyclic groups <z> and <y>. Since p is the smallest prime which divides |G|, we must have that |<z>| = |<y>| and hence by the problem hypothesis, <z> = <y>
 
Thus y is a power of x.  
 
Thus we see that |Cz| can never exceed p-1.
But, |Cz| divides |G|, hence p is not the smallest prime which divides |G|, contradiction.
 
Thus we must have that |Cz| = 1.
 
I am pretty sure I am making a basic mistake somewhere.  Undecided
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« Reply #2 on: Mar 21st, 2007, 6:38pm »
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A nice problem!
 
Aryabhatta's solution starts out very well, but I'm not sure about the following passage:
 
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Thus y is a power of z.  
Thus we see that |Cz| can never exceed p-1.

 
If z has order p, then there are p distinct powers of z; whence the conclusion that #Cz cannot exceed p-1?
 
I took a somewhat different approach. Since z has order p, the cyclic subgroup it generates is
 
(z) = {1, z, ... , zp-1}
 
By hypothesis, this is the only subgroup of order p, so (z) is a normal subgroup. (Briefly, for any g in G, one has g(z)g-1 a subgroup of same cardinality, hence the same subgroup.) This means that, for any g in G and u in (z), there is another v in (z) such that
 
gug-1 = v.
 
Looking at (z), we can further specify that, for any m in Zp there is n in Zp such that
 
gzmg-1 = zn.
 
For each m in Zp, denote this n by f(m); it is unique because
 
a,b < p --> [ za = zb --> a = b ].
 
By a similar argument, one establishes that f is injective; therefore
 
f : Zp --> Zp
 
is a bijection on Zp. (Note that it depends on the choice of g.) Even more is true:
 
gzm+ng-1 = gzmg-1 gzng-1 = zf(m)zf(n) = zf(m)+f(n)
 
so f is in fact an automorphism of Zp as a +-group. Since all of its elements are sums of 1's, f(mn) = m f(n).
 
Now we inquire into the cycle structure of f: is there a natural number m such that fm = id? (Superscripts on functions denote iteration; on field elements, exponentiation.) Well, since its domain is finite and it is a bijection, there must be; but we may use its particular structure to determine this m more precisely. An automorphism of Zp is the identity precisely when it maps 1 to 1:
 
fm(1) = fm-1(f(1)) = f(1) fm-1(1) = ... = (f(1))m = 1.
 
Since f(1) is in the multiplicative group Zp* of order p-1, then the least such m will be a divisor of p-1, and therefore
 
f p-1 = id.
 
Now, this gives us an idea. How can we get the (p-1)-iteration of f on an exponent? Well, we can conjugate by g p-1 times:
 
gp-1zg-(p-1) = zid(1) = z
 
whence
 
gp-1z = zgp-1
 
That is, z commutes with every (p-1)-th power in the group; but p being the smallest prime factor of #G, p-1 is prime with #G, and the function
 
x |-> xp-1
 
is injective, hence bijective, since G is finite. Therefore, z is in Z(G).
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« Reply #3 on: Mar 21st, 2007, 8:55pm »
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on Mar 15th, 2007, 10:05pm, Michael_Dagg wrote:
Let  G  be a finite group such that, for each positive integer  n  dividing the
order of  G, there is at most one subgroup of  G  of order  n .

If G were non-abelian, it would be Hamiltonian, but Q8 has 3 subgroups of order 4.  So by Baer's theorem, G must be abelian; since it is finite, it must in fact be cyclic.  Therefore z is in the center of G. Smiley
 
on Mar 21st, 2007, 6:38pm, Pietro K.C. wrote:
If z has order p, then there are p distinct powers of z; whence the conclusion that #Cz cannot exceed p-1?

Any element conjugate to z must be a non-trivial power of z: <z> has order p, but only p-1 generators.
 
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I took a somewhat different approach.

What you are doing here, essentially, is very common in group theory: given a normal subgroup N of a group G, we can consider the homomorphism : G Aut(N), where (g) is the automorphism of N given by conjugation by g, i.e., (g) takes n to gng-1.
 
In the case N has order p, Aut(N) has order p-1, which is relatively prime to |G|, and therefore any homomorphism G Aut(N) must be trivial.  But this means exactly that N is in the center of G.
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« Reply #4 on: Mar 21st, 2007, 9:11pm »
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on Mar 21st, 2007, 8:55pm, Eigenray wrote:
G must be abelian

Actually, is this where you were going with this problem?
 
Suppose G is a finite group satisfying
 
(*)  any two subgroups of the same order are equal.
 
We can always pick a subgroup P G of order p, where p is the smallest prime dividing |G|.  Then P Z(G), so G/Z(G) is a strictly smaller group, and we can see that it also satisfies (*).  Therefore, by induction, G/Z(G) is cyclic, and by a standard result, G is abelian.  And a finite abelian group satisfying (*) must be cyclic.
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« Reply #5 on: Mar 21st, 2007, 9:23pm »
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Another proof: we can easily prove by induction that any finite p-group satisfying (*) is cyclic.  So if G satisfies (*), all its Sylow subgroups are cyclic, so by Holder-Burnside-Zassenhaus, G is a semidirect product of relatively prime order cyclic groups, but this product must be direct, so G is cyclic.
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Re: Center of a finite group  
« Reply #6 on: May 18th, 2007, 12:23pm »
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> Actually, is this where you were going with this problem?  
 
Sure was.
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« Reply #7 on: May 21st, 2007, 9:34pm »
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My apologies Pietro K.C. you wrote a nice solution here
and I am just now reading it in detail. (It reminds me to
reference it in another problem here).
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