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Title: Group with many trivially intersecting subgroups Post by ecoist on Mar 2nd, 2006, 2:24pm Determine all groups G of order n2 containing n+1 subroups of order n, any two of which intersect in the identity of G. |
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Title: Re: Group with many trivially intersecting subgrou Post by Michael_Dagg on Mar 4th, 2006, 1:28pm I guess that the only examples are vector spaces of even dimension over the finite fields F_p. These are indeed of the form required: if |G| = p^(2n), view G as the cartesian product H x H of two copies of the additive group of the field H of p^n elements. Then there is the subgroup { ( 0, h ) ; h in H } and the subgroups { (h, k h ) ; h in H } for each fixed k in the field H. One might think that more general groups G = H x H would apply, but I don't know what other possibilities exist for H besides cyclic simple groups. The problem would be to enumerate all the subgroups of order |H|. Among them are: the group { 1 } x H, and all the groups { (x, phi(x)) ; x in H } for each endomorphism phi of H. However, in order for these to be disjoint, we would have to choose the phi's so that phi(x) = phi'(x) ==> ( phi=phi' or x = 1 ). In particular, for every two non-identity elements x and y there have to be endomorphisms carrying x to y. That means that all these elements have to have the same order, so H is a p-group (of exponent p). But every endomorphism of a p-group carries the Frattini subgroup back to within itself, so there would be no such phi if x is in the Frattini subgroup but not y. This this means the Frattini group is trivial, i.e. H is an elementary-abelian p-group. As I showed in the previous paragraph, for such an H, G = H x H always meets the condition for some selection of subgroups of order |H|. So it looks like "group squares" H x H only work with H is elementary abelian. However, I do not claim that my list of all subgroups of order |H| in H x H is complete; it could be that there are others, and maybe including those others in the list of subgroups of order|H| would allow you to find |H|+1 of these subgroups which are disjoint. At this moment I can only guess that the condition implies that G has to be a square H x H in the first place. It's a sort of unusual condition. How did this problem arise? |
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Title: Re: Group with many trivially intersecting subgrou Post by ecoist on Mar 4th, 2006, 1:48pm Quote:
I was trying to use group theory to construct orthogonal latin squares. The existence of such a group insures the existence of a complete set of mutually orthogonal latin squares of order n, or equivalently, the existence of a projective plane of order n. As your analysis suggests, this group theory approach yields nothing new on mutually orthogonal latin squares. |
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Title: Re: Group with many trivially intersecting subgrou Post by Michael_Dagg on Mar 7th, 2006, 4:29pm That explains why G has to be square. If this had been posted as a latin squares problem I would have likely not bitten. If you know group theory, you can take my previous remarks and compose a construction. |
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Title: Re: Group with many trivially intersecting subgrou Post by ecoist on Mar 7th, 2006, 5:20pm Quote:
One solver used his knowledge of geometry to partially solve the problem, but no knowledge of combinatorics or geometry is needed to solve this problem completely. You know group theory apparently, so why not complete your analysis? Or do you expect your solution to be too long to bother with? I hope you reconsider posting a proof. I enjoy seeing proofs different from mine. |
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Title: Re: Group with many trivially intersecting subgrou Post by Michael_Dagg on Mar 8th, 2006, 2:55pm This is likely more useful than anything else I can offer: MR1829097 (2002g:05036) Colbourn, Charles J.(1-VT-C); Dinitz, Jeffrey H.(1-VT-C) Mutually orthogonal Latin squares: a brief survey of constructions. (English. English summary) |