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(Message started by: towr on Sep 12th, 2007, 1:59pm)
Title: spring cleaning?
Post by towr on Sep 12th, 2007, 1:59pm
Well, ok, it's not anywhere near spring.

It's not really my habit to delete posts, so I thought I'd ask if everyone is ok with it if I (and other moderators that feel like it) start cleaning up some of the threads from the last few weeks by massively deleting the crud from them.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Grimbal on Sep 12th, 2007, 2:10pm
No problem with me.  Even though I usually just ignore anything irrelevant to the thread, so it won't make a big difference to me.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by SMQ on Sep 12th, 2007, 3:00pm
It seems to me that the volume of crud has decreased substantially in the last few days, and that few long-standing threads have been effected -- if it were just me I'd opt for letting it blow over.  Sure it's annoying, but there's little lasting harm.  Still, if you want to go to the trouble I don't have any fundamental objection.

--SMQ
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by mikedagr8 on Sep 12th, 2007, 4:59pm
Anything of mine, which you don't deem as necessary, go for it and delete. But I'd prefer it if it was still there.


Quote:
Well, ok, it's not anywhere near spring.

Try in the southern hemisphere. ;)
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Sameer on Sep 12th, 2007, 8:35pm

on 09/12/07 at 13:59:13, towr wrote:
Well, ok, it's not anywhere near spring.

It's not really my habit to delete posts, so I thought I'd ask if everyone is ok with it if I (and other moderators that feel like it) start cleaning up some of the threads from the last few weeks by massively deleting the crud from them.


That sounds splendid!! You can start with this one!!  :)
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Noke Lieu on Sep 12th, 2007, 10:35pm
8)

http://www.thejump.net/fishing-knots/Offshore-Swivel-Knot-8.jpg
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by TenaliRaman on Sep 13th, 2007, 11:44am

on 09/12/07 at 13:59:13, towr wrote:
It's not really my habit to delete posts, so I thought I'd ask if everyone is ok with it if I (and other moderators that feel like it) start cleaning up some of the threads from the last few weeks by massively deleting the crud from them.

Banzai!!!!!
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by JiNbOtAk on Sep 13th, 2007, 6:36pm
Why is it referred to as spring cleaning ? Do you guys only clean during spring ?  :P


on 09/13/07 at 11:44:52, TenaliRaman wrote:
Banzai!!!!!


And my favourite part after cleaning, Kanpai !!!

<And mods, go ahead and delete any of my posts, if it's not up to the forum's standard>
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Noke Lieu on Sep 13th, 2007, 8:04pm
had too much coffee to work properly (whoopos) and just read through the most pathetic (http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=truth;action=display;num=1107844948;start=125) thread. It's intersperesped with gold, admittedly, but is there a way to *snip* some of the more inappropriate posts?
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by towr on Sep 13th, 2007, 11:46pm
I'll have a look. I've only had a look at putnam and hard so far (haven't made much changes yet though, just selected a few threads that can use cleaning up).
The biggest problem with excising posts is when they're commented on later in the thread.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by hiyathere on Sep 14th, 2007, 4:58am
Look through my old posts. Anything past this last week, feel free to delete if it doesn't seem right.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Noke Lieu on Sep 15th, 2007, 3:44am

on 09/14/07 at 04:58:20, hiyathere wrote:
Look through my old posts. Anything past this last week, feel free to delete if it doesn't seem right.


... or you could. think critically, act rationally.
If you don't want to delete a post, you can just modify and replce the text with

*snip*
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Eigenray on Sep 19th, 2007, 12:10am
I think it's time for decisive action.

Initially I thought we should just ignore him until he went away.  But I now feel that allowing him to continue would be a disservice to every other member of this site.  He's had plenty of warnings, and I don't see any reason not to ban him.  Surely he can find somewhere else to troll.

If all of his posts, and their replies, simply disappeared, would anybody care?

I propose a Vote on the following:

Ban: We contact William asking him to ban srn347.

Delete: If anyone feels that one of srn347's threads has led to something worthwhile, they may request that it be saved*.  All others shall be deleted after some set period of time; this will include direct replies.  Other references to srn347 may be deleted by their authors if they desire.  Any unsightly remains shall be left to moderators' discretion.

The options shall be For, Against, Indifferent, and/or Suggest something else.  You may vote on Ban and Delete separately; if unspecified, your answer will count for both.

Aryabhatta: For
Barukh: Against
BNC: For
denis: For
Eigenray: For
FiBsTeR: For Ban
Grimbal: Against
Hippo: For Delete
hiyathere: For Delete
iyerkri: For
JiNbOtAk: For [updated from For Delete]
JP05: For
Michael_Dagg: For
mikedagr8: For
Noke Lieu: Against
Obob: For
pex: For
Sameer: [apparently] Against
SMQ: For
srn347: Against
TenaliRaman: For Ban
ThudanBlunder: For Ban
towr: For
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot: For

*Please provide links.  For example, I imagine [link=http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=riddles_general;action=display;num=1189567036]telekinesis[/link] would have to be edited carefully, if at all.


[Mods feel free to edit this post, or start a new thread with it, or something like it.]
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by iyerkri on Sep 19th, 2007, 12:39am
For.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by mikedagr8 on Sep 19th, 2007, 12:50am
For. Leave his ghoti post, I want proof so he can be seen as being partially correct once (http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=riddles_hard;action=display;num=1184422609;start=13#13) :P. But that is only because of Murphy. Also I think IP ban, because he will get a new username.

He has now also gotten a numerical fraction correct.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Grimbal on Sep 19th, 2007, 1:02am

on 09/12/07 at 22:35:07, Noke Lieu wrote:
8)

http://www.thejump.net/fishing-knots/Offshore-Swivel-Knot-8.jpg

Does this mean "not!"?
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by TenaliRaman on Sep 19th, 2007, 1:15am
My vote on Ban.

-- AI
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by JiNbOtAk on Sep 19th, 2007, 2:07am
For Delete ( up to the discretion of the moderators, you guys have to put in the extra work )

Let him have a grace period, if after say, 1 week of deleting his posts, he is trolling about, then banning is the option.

<You gotta admit, some of his posts were downright idiotic enough to be funny.  ;D>
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Eigenray on Sep 19th, 2007, 2:27am
An alternative is to delete only his worst posts, which it looks like people have been doing.  But that will make him seem better than he really is (and make it hard to observe any change in his behavior, if there is one).  And even his most inoffensive posts are redundant and worthless at best.

People have been seriously talking of banning him for a while now.  He knows this, and has done nothing to redeem himself.  I think he just enjoys seeing how much energy we can waste on him, and wants to get banned.  I don't think this forum owes him any more time than he's already gotten.

And of course, it goes without saying that I'm just plain sick of his sh*t.

Or we could all just ignore him, like we've been trying for a while, but for that to work, we all have to do it.  (Yes, I replied to him once, but that was because I accidentally posted in a thread he started, and then felt somewhat guilty when nobody answered his question.  Never again!)
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by towr on Sep 19th, 2007, 3:00am
Although I consider banning rather harsh, I'm starting to lean heavily toward being in favour of it. He's had ample chances.
And of course I've already been deleting some of the more disruptive posts. So overall: FOR.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by BNC on Sep 19th, 2007, 3:24am
I vote "For".
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by SMQ on Sep 19th, 2007, 3:52am
It goes against my nature to "give up" on a member of the community, but this has gone on long enough.  I'm willing to assume he's aware of this thread, and let that serve as a warning.  (You hear that, srn347?  Your disruptive insistance that you're right and everyone else is wrong is about to get you thrown out on your ass.)  With some reluctance, I, too, vote "for".

--SMQ
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by srn347 on Sep 19th, 2007, 6:27am
I vote against, in large font. Also, anyone who bans me will be stuping lower than me.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by ThudanBlunder on Sep 19th, 2007, 7:08am

on 09/19/07 at 06:27:49, srn347 wrote:
I vote against, in large font. Also, anyone who bans me will be stuping lower than me.

After wavering between Ignore and Ban, I now vote for Ban,
even if it means some of my best insults will be deleted.  ;)
This kid isn't going to change any time soon.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by denis on Sep 19th, 2007, 9:28am
I vote FOR
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Sameer on Sep 19th, 2007, 9:29am

on 09/19/07 at 06:27:49, srn347 wrote:
I vote against, in large font. Also, anyone who bans me will be stuping lower than me.


Here's your chance to show some maturity and act like a grown up. I am sure people have warned you against using bold and large fonts, yet you do so and you still talk to people in insulting tone!!! Maybe while everyone here is collecting votes maybe you can surprise us all by posting something good and intriguing rather than shallow and demeaning. I am a fairly patient guy and I hope you  can help us save yourself!!
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by pex on Sep 19th, 2007, 9:36am
I don't think I want to wait for that - I vote for.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Michael_Dagg on Sep 19th, 2007, 9:42am
For
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Aryabhatta on Sep 19th, 2007, 9:47am
For.

If this forum supports banning IP addresses, this might be the opportunity to use it.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by JP05 on Sep 19th, 2007, 9:52am
For!
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by JP05 on Sep 19th, 2007, 9:57am

on 09/19/07 at 01:02:11, Grimbal wrote:
Does this mean "not!"?


What is that actually? It looks like a piece of steel with a stamp on it.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by towr on Sep 19th, 2007, 10:02am

on 09/19/07 at 09:57:22, JP05 wrote:
What is that actually? It looks like a piece of steel with a stamp on it.

If I had to guess, I'd say it's an Offshore-Swivel-Knot (it's what the image file is called).
And I'd further guess it stands for "why not" (Y knot).
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by JiNbOtAk on Sep 19th, 2007, 11:00am
Damn, I'm the only one who didn't vote for outright banning ?? Must be getting soft. But hey, most mods are for banning, as are most regulars. So, let's ban the troll !! Banzai !!

<Note to Sameer : Ignore and ban mode only  :P >
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Sameer on Sep 19th, 2007, 11:30am

on 09/19/07 at 11:00:36, JiNbOtAk wrote:
<Note to Sameer : Ignore and ban mode only  :P >


I guess I am softer than most!!  ;)
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by hiyathere on Sep 19th, 2007, 11:34am
I vote delete. I still think banning is outright cruel, especially if you played online Starcraft enough.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on Sep 19th, 2007, 1:30pm
I vote for, unfortunately.  I thought it might serve well enough to delete only his most ridiculous posts and resurrections of long dead riddles but I've found it increasingly difficult to pay attention to any topic of substance in a place that is normally so overflowing with substance that it is difficult not to pay attention.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Sir Col on Sep 19th, 2007, 2:46pm
I've clearly not been around much lately, and maybe the reason I am unaware of the problem is because many of his posts have already been deleted. However, when I see among the list of people "for" having him banned/deleted so many sensible, fair, and patient members of this forum, I wonder what srn347 has done to warrant such a determined response? Could someone please enlighten me?
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Hippo on Sep 19th, 2007, 3:11pm
I am not sure how the ban can work ... he can make another account, he can use another IP ...

I 'am just trying to ignore him, but I would not vote against deleting his posts.

(But deleting seems to me would work better than banning ... he must become tired after some time ... I hope in that case)

OK, consider me slightly for deleting his posts.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Grimbal on Sep 19th, 2007, 3:20pm
Last year there were these 2 who used the forum as a playground, posting completely irrelevant posts.  They haven't been banned.  They were worse than srn.

And I don't feel offended by srn.  He is "noisy", he doesn't listen, he has some bizarre conceptions in mathematics but that doesn't prevent me from reading other people's fine posts.  So I would not take action.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on Sep 19th, 2007, 8:24pm

on 09/19/07 at 14:46:02, Sir Col wrote:
I've clearly not been around much lately, and maybe the reason I am unaware of the problem is because many of his posts have already been deleted. However, when I see among the list of people "for" having him banned/deleted so many sensible, fair, and patient members of this forum, I wonder what srn347 has done to warrant such a determined response? Could someone please enlighten me?


I also have not been around recently but it seems that srn's problems (and others' problems with him) start with the fact that he is not as sensible, fair, or patient as you have described others in the forum to be and has not bothered to listen to those members who still try to help him improve.   Many of his posts have been deleted recently but this (http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=riddles_whathappened;action=display;num=1188460334;start=25#25) is still a prime example.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Obob on Sep 19th, 2007, 8:43pm
I vote "for."  I'm more than tired of him repeating the same lies and half-truths over and over, despite being informed by us.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by JiNbOtAk on Sep 19th, 2007, 9:05pm

on 09/19/07 at 20:43:02, Obob wrote:
I vote "for."  I'm more than tired of him repeating the same lies and half-truths over and over, despite being informed by us.


Hee hee, maybe you can have it as a belated birthday gift.  ;D
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Noke Lieu on Sep 19th, 2007, 9:43pm

on 09/19/07 at 10:02:16, towr wrote:
If I had to guess, I'd say it's an Offshore-Swivel-Knot (it's what the image file is called).
And I'd further guess it stands for "why not" (Y knot).



That's the one. Whilst we were going at the rebi, I thought I may as well continue the theme.


I suspect  that banning would be entirely ineffectual. I thought of burying his posts... as in post and delete in untainted threads, such that tainted threads get forced back towards the middle of the archive. But that would have been more hastle than it's worth.

Deleting the posts will have an immediate impact, but the damage is done already, and may in fact count with this kid as a victory.  (but who really cares what they think is a victory?)

Besides, unless you delete every new post that comes in, it's not going tohave much effect.

I am an advocate for the ignore (with a lot of patience), but am sorely tempted (and wouldn't object in the slightest) by the delete.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by JiNbOtAk on Sep 19th, 2007, 11:55pm

on 09/19/07 at 21:43:49, Noke Lieu wrote:
I am an advocate for the ignore (with a lot of patience),...


You have to admit, it's hard to be patient when you read something like this (http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=riddles_hard;action=display;num=1168923030;start=28#28).

<Note : Offensive post in the link removed by towr>
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Hippo on Sep 20th, 2007, 12:46am
Yes this is the post ... I can read only as ... please do something with my being here.

srn resigns on thinking about problems he just fights with the comunity.

Even this thread is his small victory. I would try not to continue talking about him or with him. If you want delete his posts and have time to do it, never mind ... it will help me to ignore what remains ... if you stop deleting ... I can live with it.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Barukh on Sep 20th, 2007, 1:07am
When's the deadline of making a decision?

I would say "Ignore" but this may be as bad as other options...  :-/
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Hippo on Sep 21st, 2007, 6:59am
I should say one more thing against deleting ... as the threads poped up by srn are pushed down after deleting the last posts, I am sometimes confused ... when looking for changes.

So the deleting does similar harm as the srn's post itself. So be patient with it.

May be solution would be addiding the post with the notion ... the thread was cleaned. (The best time would be the time matching the last post, but newer is OK, too)
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by ThudanBlunder on Sep 21st, 2007, 7:31am

on 09/20/07 at 01:07:26, Barukh wrote:
I would say "Ignore" but this may be as bad as other options...  :-/

Nah, this is the most painless option for all concerned.
It also has the advantage that it can be applied collectively, yet unofficially.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by JiNbOtAk on Sep 21st, 2007, 6:28pm

on 09/21/07 at 07:31:34, ThudanBlunder wrote:
It also has the advantage that it can be applied collectively, yet unofficially.


Well, given the varying patience level of the members in the forum, our previous attempts were somewhat unsuccesful.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by mikedagr8 on Sep 25th, 2007, 2:04am
I would like to know what is happening. I personally have made a major effort (in my own opinion), and have cut down my baiting. But now I truly am fed up with the sh*t he is posting.

Every time he posts, it disrupts the flow of the previous posts, because someone has to tell him to stop. He then continues to ignore and continue his ignorant posting. I would like some action to be taken as soon as possible. With the people who have voted, more than majority are not happy, and feel the "For/Ban" option as well as/or "Delete" option should be taken. What is happening?

Moderators, please reply with your opinions on what should be done. I would like a consesus from you, as you guys will be the ultimate decision makers in the end, but I feel that after so many  posts of sh*t and minimal actual contribution and improvement, something must be done.

I now leave it to you guys.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by ThudanBlunder on Sep 25th, 2007, 2:16am

on 09/25/07 at 02:04:22, mikedagr8 wrote:
But now I truly am fed up with the sh*t he is posting.

His last 10 posts seem to be reasonable.
Let's not stir things up unnecessarily, eh?
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Sir Col on Sep 25th, 2007, 2:42am

on 09/25/07 at 02:04:22, mikedagr8 wrote:
I personally have made a major effort (in my own opinion), and have cut down my baiting.

As I mentioned ealier, I was clearly not around when he was making awkward and antagonistic posts. But because I've seen nothing recently that fits this anti-social profile it would suggest that he has also made a major effort.

If as a result of this thread he reacted aggressively and unpleasantly then there would be just grounds for a ban/delete. However, he seems to have done the opposite and made a concerted effort. Call me an old softy, but I admire someone who can remain dignified in the face of such criticism; I don't think I would have handled a thread like this as well as he has. We all do regretable things, and if he wants to change his ways and make himself a part of this forum then we need to give him a second chance.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by mikedagr8 on Sep 25th, 2007, 2:51am
OK, I was a little tempered after reading some of the things he has posted when trying to get down to the continuation of a thread.

Still, I won't say he hasn't improved, he has improved, no doubt. But I'm a little anxious to see what is being done.

I do believe that giving him increasing oportunities to change is a good thing, but at a certain point, there is no more chances that can be given. If a trained, and normally well behaved dog attacks someone, and is then retrained not to attack, but later on gores someone, the dog is put down. There are no exceptions.

I'm just wondering when is his last and final opportunity to redeem himself over, or is it an on-going thing.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Noke Lieu on Sep 25th, 2007, 4:53am
You can spot those of us who work with kids...

Sir Col, I was also absent at the start of the troubles, but spent a little while (upon my return) going through the saga.

I think Grimble put is best as "noisy", but in quite a startling sense. Much of the issue is the swift and terrible responses that members have used.
Swift and terrible in a few senses...
There are those of us who nobly tries to educate the fellow, but were essentially ignored at every turn.
Such effort, such finesse, such gilded postings to be scorned is indeed frustrating...
(Just think of the rougher GCSE kids)

Patience wore thin, and there was a spot of intellectual rapier-ing. Unfortunately, it went unnonticed by the intended target, and rapidly dissolved into International Chip Pan Fighting.

All in all, an undesirable situation not handled particularly well by us (the community).

It's getting better,partly through srn being better, partly through some of the more eager members (you know who you are) managing to lend a bit of leniency.

one day at time, though.
 ;D
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by ThudanBlunder on Sep 25th, 2007, 6:55am

on 09/25/07 at 02:51:06, mikedagr8 wrote:
If a trained, and normally well behaved dog attacks someone, and is then retrained not to attack, but later on gores someone, the dog is put down. There are no exceptions.

An unintentionally humorous analogy, but obviously srn347 has not yet been trained.
So I don't think it is fair to put him down just yet.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by ThudanBlunder on Sep 26th, 2007, 8:55pm

on 09/25/07 at 04:53:18, Noke Lieu wrote:
All in all, an undesirable situation not handled particularly well by us (the community).

On the contrary, I think we've been quite patient.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by srn347 on Sep 26th, 2007, 8:57pm
Double posting again? And you have the audacity to say that I need to be trained.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by ima1trkpny on Sep 26th, 2007, 9:02pm

on 09/26/07 at 20:57:57, srn347 wrote:
Double posting again? And you have the audacity to say that I need to be trained.


Hehe... it's working!  ;D He can now spell "audacity"... who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks? Maybe for the next feat he could play dead? :-*
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by ThudanBlunder on Sep 26th, 2007, 9:06pm

on 09/26/07 at 20:57:57, srn347 wrote:
Double posting again? And you have the audacity to say that I need to be trained.

Double? What are you whingeing about now, sonny? Anyway, you have famously proved that 2 = 1
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by srn347 on Sep 26th, 2007, 9:15pm
Which means you quadruple posted! Anyway, moderators should know this.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by ThudanBlunder on Sep 26th, 2007, 9:21pm

on 09/26/07 at 21:15:02, srn347 wrote:
Anyway, moderators should know this.

I already know. Just wipe your snotty nose and behave yourself, that's a good boy.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by srn347 on Sep 26th, 2007, 9:23pm
Sometimes I wonder what logic gate you come from? Probably the NOT gate.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Noke Lieu on Sep 26th, 2007, 9:53pm

on 09/26/07 at 21:02:50, ima1trkpny wrote:
he could play dead? :-*



.. his very next role. He'll be quite convincing, I assure you.    (said using James Mason's voice)


Yes, TnB, the community has be patient with this patient.
I shamefully admit to gleefully checking out the responses to the wittering, and you have had some masterful replies.
The catch is though, that none of it seems to have worked. srn347 is still being frustrated and frustrating.

Now that I think about it, I suspect that "noisy" isn't the best descriptor. Other members who have come and gone have fitted the "noisy" category better-  srn347 feels more... egregious, malicious and unrepentant in his posting. I just can't tell if it's intentional or not.

I mean look at that one above this... It's pathetic, acrimonous and above all unfunny.

As a friend of mine used to say- and srn347, this isn't an insult (more like advice)- don't get into a battle of wits when you're so obivously unarmed.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by mikedagr8 on Sep 27th, 2007, 1:21am

on 09/26/07 at 20:57:57, srn347 wrote:
Double posting again? And you have the audacity to say that I need to be trained.

Oh, double posts. You mean you wouldn't do something hypocritical like this (reply 36 & 37) (http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=riddles_easy;action=display;num=1190424508;start=25#25)?

I ask again. What is being done. He has gone back to his old ways, and so something seriously must be done.

As suggested above, banning him would be helpful. I suggest IP + username. Save us the trouble of ever worrying who it is. I hope. :-/
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by SMQ on Sep 27th, 2007, 3:30am

on 09/27/07 at 01:21:35, mikedagr8 wrote:
I ask again. What is being done. He has gone back to his old ways, and so something seriously must be done.

With due respect, Mike, that's not your call.  You are a) relatively new here, and b) relatively young.

Despite the "vote" above leaning heavily to "For", several respected members made arguments for forbearance, and it seems they were sufficiently persuasive that none of the moderators has actually taken the step of contacting William yet -- I know I haven't.  If things continue as they have been, I'm sure one of us will send that email "soon enough".

--SMQ
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by mikedagr8 on Sep 27th, 2007, 3:39am
Thankyou.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by ThudanBlunder on Sep 27th, 2007, 4:07am

on 09/27/07 at 01:21:35, mikedagr8 wrote:
Oh, double posts. You mean you wouldn't do something hypocritical like this (reply 36 & 37) (http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=riddles_easy;action=display;num=1190424508;start=25#25)?
/

Yes, this sort of glitch tends to happen when someone sits there impatiently pressing the Refresh button every 10 seconds, to see if anyone has responded to their posts. It's no big deal. All he had to do was delete his original post and repost it right after mine.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Aryabhatta on Oct 2nd, 2007, 11:11am
Did anyone contact William yet? Or has the idea been dropped?
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by FiBsTeR on Oct 2nd, 2007, 7:14pm
Odd, I don't usually check here and never saw this, but I'm all for a ban if there's still a vote; he's been given more than ample time to change his behavior.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Eigenray on Oct 2nd, 2007, 10:02pm
When I wrote the above, having been up all night grading math problem sets, I found his particular brand of nonsense too infuriating to think rationally, so I basically wanted to get an idea of where people stood on the issue.  Now, I think I've just come to accept it as the cost of being on the internet.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by SMQ on Oct 3rd, 2007, 3:25am
On the flip side, for those of you still wondering how it came to this, this thread (http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=riddles_putnam;action=display;num=1191295578) is entirely typical of the kind of nonsense towr deleted.  As Londo Mollari once said: "Arrogance and stupidity all in the same package; how very efficient of [him]." ::)

[edit]I'm also hoping it's just coincidence that we haven't heard from WTF since this post (http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=riddles_hard;action=display;num=1136405860;start=50#58); if we're losing respected members of these forums over this teentwirp's ramblings I'm going to be seriously pissed off.[/edit]

--SMQ
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by mikedagr8 on Oct 3rd, 2007, 3:31am
I think there may have been a better example than that, but is sums it up nicely.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Aryabhatta on Oct 3rd, 2007, 1:34pm

on 10/02/07 at 22:02:03, Eigenray wrote:
When I wrote the above, having been up all night grading math problem sets, I found his particular brand of nonsense too infuriating to think rationally, so I basically wanted to get an idea of where people stood on the issue.  Now, I think I've just come to accept it as the cost of being on the internet.


I don't think we _have_ to bear that cost.

The cost of deleting his prolific rubbish is probably much more than the cost of just banning him.

Besides, I don't see how banning is "cruel". He still gets to browse the forums. He only does not get to pollute it. People have tried to talk sense into him many times, but he just does not listen. I think he is beyond repair (others might not agree with this).

I am completely sober and I am FOR banning. I think we have enough grounds to do just that.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by JiNbOtAk on Oct 3rd, 2007, 6:30pm
I seriously think most, if not all, of the members here are patient and understanding. If anything, it takes quite a bit to rile any of us up. ( most of us try to brush off 'offensive' posts in a humourous way. Grimby is a master of this. )

However, when a certain member kept on posting annoying, disrespectful remark, without considering the effects on  other members of the forum, then something definitely needs to be done. As Eigenray pointed out, it is something that we have to bear, being on the net. To me, a bearable member would someone like puzzlecracker (http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=truth;action=display;num=1107844948;start=134#134), or maybe thecow135 / CowsRUs (http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=riddles_whathappened;action=display;num=1171013864). srn347 had gone beyond that, some of his comments had members trying hard not to bang their keyboard on their monitor, wishing it was his head.

Granted, there had been some improvements in the quality of his posts ( albeit reminding, cajoling, and in some cases, out right threatening ), but it had gone back to the same old pattern. Most regulars had voiced out their opinion, either for banning him, or simply deleting the annoying posts would suffice. ( ignoring the dude is just not working ) I, for one, am for banning, and not just because of his annoying post. SMQ's post regarding WTF's MIA is a good example of the long term effects of this problem.

Again, mods, we leave it in your hands to take the best course of action.

Oh, and we wouldn't mind it in the least if you guys could share with us the decision that you guys came up with.  ;D
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by sm347 on Oct 3rd, 2007, 7:11pm
But if you ban me, because i am so clever, I will find many more ways of showing you that I am smarter than u.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by SMQ on Oct 3rd, 2007, 7:12pm

on 10/03/07 at 18:30:17, JiNbOtAk wrote:
Oh, and we wouldn't mind it in the least if you guys could share with us the decision that you guys came up with.  ;D

I don't know whether William was notified or took action on his own, but scroll up a bit click back to the previous page and check out srn347's account status. ;)

[edit]not that it will help...[/edit]

--SMQ
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Aryabhatta on Oct 3rd, 2007, 7:14pm
JiNbOtAk, it does look like the srn347 id has been banned, but not his set of IPs, as we can see from sm347's post.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by SMQ on Oct 3rd, 2007, 7:26pm
I have it on good authority that an IP ban would be impractical :(

--SMQ
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by sm347 on Oct 3rd, 2007, 8:19pm

on 10/03/07 at 19:14:19, Aryabhatta wrote:
JiNbOtAk, it does look like the srn347 id has been banned, but not his set of IPs, as we can see from sm347's post.

yes, but it is obvious that I am smarter than any of you who foolishly criticize my posts. My Daddy told me that i am smarter than him , and he dresses very nicely.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Anonymous and Disgruntled on Oct 3rd, 2007, 8:44pm
Go [redacted] yourself.

// While I understand the frustration, let's try to keep it civil, shall we? --SMQ
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Noke Lieu on Oct 3rd, 2007, 8:47pm

on 10/03/07 at 20:19:38, the pesky little brat wrote:
. My Daddy told me that i am smarter than him , and he dresses very nicely.


Cute.

problem is though, that if you analyse your typical language, the phrase "My Daddy" is such a radical departure from the norm that it's evident that you've just lifted that from somewhere.

Shame.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by ThudanBlunder on Oct 3rd, 2007, 8:57pm

on 10/03/07 at 20:44:46, Anonymous and Disgruntled wrote:
Go [redacted] yourself.

Has an anonymously castrated Aussie piglet become disgruntled?
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by JiNbOtAk on Oct 3rd, 2007, 9:19pm
Okay then, whatever happens, we would always have the choice to ignore the lil piglet. Guess that's what I'll do, the rest is up to the others.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by FiBsTeR on Oct 3rd, 2007, 9:25pm

on 10/03/07 at 20:44:46, Anonymous and Disgruntled wrote:
{I'd quote exactly, but a moderator would edit it anyway.}


Whoever this was, and I'm assuming it's a regular, this is uncalled for, no matter how annoying srn may be. The worst thing you can do is reciprocate.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by ThudanBlunder on Oct 3rd, 2007, 9:50pm
If it were in Hard I would delete his ass immediately.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by ThudanBlunder on Oct 3rd, 2007, 9:58pm
I suggests it originates from south of the equator.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Noke Lieu on Oct 3rd, 2007, 10:13pm
don't know why I didn't think of this before....

did a little googling on this kid.
Crops up a lot, especially around fora.

American, apparently- although much of his posting time had me worried that he was from over here.

Been slapped around from place to place to place, showing the same level of intellect as here.

Anyone able to talk to the Wiki mob...?
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by SMQ on Oct 4th, 2007, 12:16am

on 10/03/07 at 21:25:05, FiBsTeR wrote:
Whoever this was, and I'm assuming it's a regular, this is uncalled for, no matter how annoying srn may be. The worst thing you can do is reciprocate.

Given the use of color=white tags to avoid the obscenity filter, it was almost certainly a regular.  Still, I think I object more to hiding behind an anonymous account than to the language -- if you're going to call him out at least do it "to his face."  I don't know -- it's 3AM here and I ought to be in bed -- maybe in the morning I'll delete it entirely (if one of the other mods doesn't do it first), but right now I'm inclined to let the sentiment stand, if not the word.

--SMQ
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by mikedagr8 on Oct 4th, 2007, 2:05am

on 10/03/07 at 21:58:25, ThudanBlunder wrote:
The attempted spoonerism suggests that it might originate from south of the equator.

If that was implying to be me, well, I was out at 4am my time, and just got back about 20 minutes ago.

I was cleaning the Garratt down at Puffing Billy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puffing_Billy_Railway%2C_Melbourne), helping my dad, as he was a fireman. If I want to insult our good friend (::)), I will do it to his face, in the open as well.

It seems to me that srn347 has indeed been banned, as his status is now a guest. Is this indeed what has happened?
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by sm347 on Oct 4th, 2007, 1:51pm

on 10/04/07 at 02:05:14, mikedagr8 wrote:
It seems to me that srn347 has indeed been banned, as his status is now a guest. Is this indeed what has happened?

No, I will still be around to correct your many elementary math mistakes.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Aryabhatta on Oct 4th, 2007, 2:20pm

on 10/03/07 at 20:47:37, Noke Lieu wrote:
Cute.

problem is though, that if you analyse your typical language, the phrase "My Daddy" is such a radical departure from the norm that it's evident that you've just lifted that from somewhere.

Shame.



It also means that his Daddy is dumber than him, which might explain why he is what he is...


btw, please ignore him. Perhaps in a year or two he will be mature enough to understand. I just hope that we don't run out of space on the server because of his moronic spew and responses to that.
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by Grimbal on Oct 5th, 2007, 1:15am
(Grimbal enters, watches a while, and leaves without saying a word)
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by JiNbOtAk on Oct 5th, 2007, 2:29am
(JiNbOtAk enters, bumped into Grimbal who's on the way out (nice pecs btw  ;D) and decided to leave as well)
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by mikedagr8 on Oct 5th, 2007, 2:34am
(mikedagr8 watches the confrontation between JiNbOtAk and Grimbal, and decides to keep watching from afar)
Title: Re: spring cleaning?
Post by SMQ on Oct 5th, 2007, 3:31am
Uh...huh.  And with that, this thread has clearly outlived its usefulness.

* locks the door on his way out

--SMQ


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