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Re: Enterprise 1
« Reply #25 on: Feb 19th, 2008, 9:17am » |
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The ship is actually a submarine. By flooding the hatch, thanks to Archimedes, the cargo is lifted and doesn't touch the floor any more.
Or it is such an old ship full of holes. After 10 minutes there is so much water inside that the whole cargo floats. That is why you are bound to short 20-minutes trips.
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Re: Enterprise 1
« Reply #26 on: Feb 19th, 2008, 1:27pm » |
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No water inside.
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Re: Enterprise 1
« Reply #27 on: Feb 19th, 2008, 6:48pm » |
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air has weight, and space, (The stuff out there) has ho weight. so, half way through, release half of the air out 10 mins through.
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Re: Enterprise 1
« Reply #28 on: Feb 20th, 2008, 9:21am » |
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Nope.
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Re: Enterprise 1
« Reply #29 on: Feb 20th, 2008, 12:09pm » |
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Does it have anything to do with the boat riding the waves and thus going up and down with the cargo?
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Re: Enterprise 1
« Reply #30 on: Feb 20th, 2008, 6:25pm » |
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u carry fuel for the ship. after 10 mins, you put the fuel into the ships tank
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Re: Enterprise 1
« Reply #31 on: Feb 21st, 2008, 6:27am » |
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No to both.
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Re: Enterprise 1
« Reply #32 on: Feb 21st, 2008, 9:24am » |
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.....regarding the waves, particularly big waves, I suppose that means something, but in my version the sea is calm. 
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Re: Enterprise 1
« Reply #33 on: Feb 21st, 2008, 9:29am » |
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Does it count if the cargo is still the same element, even though it might be in a different state of matter?
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Re: Enterprise 1
« Reply #34 on: Feb 21st, 2008, 9:32am » |
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It is not in a different state. It is what it is.
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Re: Enterprise 1
« Reply #35 on: Feb 21st, 2008, 7:05pm » |
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The cargo is unchanged, the sensors however, are not functioning. It took the maintenance guys 10 minutes to repair it.
The cargo are only identified after after crossing into international waters, which took 10 minutes to reach.
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Re: Enterprise 1
« Reply #36 on: Feb 21st, 2008, 7:34pm » |
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What sort of "instruments" are we talking about? Most ships don't have any sensors that would indicate the presence of cargo except:
(1) cameras in the cargo hold.
(2) response of the ship due to the increased mass. This takes 2 forms:
i) because the ship is heavier, it sits lower in the water, and because it is lower in the water, it experiences more drag.
ii) Because the ship is more massive, the engines must generate more force to cause the ship to accelerate or to turn. But except for the increased drag issue, it is not any harder to make it travel at constant speed in a straight line.
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Re: Enterprise 1
« Reply #37 on: Feb 22nd, 2008, 9:14am » |
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No to both.
on Feb 21st, 2008, 7:34pm, Icarus wrote:| What sort of "instruments" are we talking about? Most ships don't have any sensors that would indicate the presence of cargo |
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......but this is Enterprise. It used to be spaceship though, but after the battle with two Romulan birds of prey, it was reduced to sea ship. 
Note that the instruments were also severely damaged, so now they act just like scales regarding the hatch.
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Re: Enterprise 1
« Reply #38 on: Feb 22nd, 2008, 12:26pm » |
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Is the fact that the cargo is sitting on a seaship significant? Would the intended answer work for a land based transporter?
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Re: Enterprise 1
« Reply #39 on: Feb 22nd, 2008, 3:31pm » |
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on Feb 22nd, 2008, 9:14am, Iceman wrote:| ......but this is Enterprise. It used to be spaceship though, but after the battle with two Romulan birds of prey, it was reduced to sea ship. |
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In that case, just put a gravity plate in the ceiling and turn it on, creating a zone of neutral gravity around the cargo.
Slightly more practical (though not by much): Bring along a trampoline big enough to support your cargo. Hopefully, by jumping with it, you'll be able to keep it bouncing enough to get in 10 minutes total of air time.
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Re: Enterprise 1
« Reply #40 on: Feb 23rd, 2008, 5:26am » |
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on Feb 22nd, 2008, 12:26pm, denis wrote:| Would the intended answer work for a land based transporter? |
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Yes.
on Feb 22nd, 2008, 3:31pm, Icarus wrote:
In that case, just put a gravity plate in the ceiling and turn it on, creating a zone of neutral gravity around the cargo. |
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Now it is just an ordinary sea ship, except for the above instruments.
There is no trampoline or something else for that matter inside the hatch: just cargo and you.
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Re: Enterprise 1
« Reply #41 on: Feb 23rd, 2008, 8:46am » |
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on Feb 22nd, 2008, 12:26pm, denis wrote:| Would the intended answer work for a land based transporter? |
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I mean, it probably would work. Then again, I am not certain about it, but yes, I suppose the answer I have in mind is just fine, I think. I dunno much about.. oops, I almost gave it away.
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Re: Enterprise 1
« Reply #42 on: Feb 24th, 2008, 11:23am » |
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Is the cargo live animals/insects or just objects.
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Re: Enterprise 1
« Reply #43 on: Feb 25th, 2008, 4:52am » |
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Are you so crazy as to fly a helicopter inside an aircraft carrier?
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Re: Enterprise 1
« Reply #44 on: Feb 25th, 2008, 5:03am » |
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Wouldn't work: the force necessary to lift the helicopter is transmitted to the deck through the air. The helicopter generates lift by accelerating air downward. The deck decelerates and redirects the moving air, providing an equal-and-opposite force.
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Re: Enterprise 1
« Reply #45 on: Feb 25th, 2008, 5:11am » |
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I know that but does Iceman?
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Re: Enterprise 1
« Reply #46 on: Feb 25th, 2008, 7:08am » |
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on Feb 25th, 2008, 4:52am, Grimbal wrote:| Are you so crazy as to fly a helicopter inside an aircraft carrier? |
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No. Not that crazy.
on Feb 24th, 2008, 11:23am, denis wrote:| Is the cargo live animals |
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Yes. Name which.
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Re: Enterprise 1
« Reply #47 on: Feb 25th, 2008, 7:17am » |
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Could be humming birds in a box. After 10 minutes, he opened the box to let them strech out their wings.
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Re: Enterprise 1
« Reply #48 on: Feb 25th, 2008, 7:51am » |
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Same problem as with the helicopter. The weight of the birds is transmitted to the ship through the motion of the air. Mythbusters did a segment on exactly that.
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Re: Enterprise 1
« Reply #49 on: Feb 25th, 2008, 8:01am » |
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on Feb 25th, 2008, 7:51am, SMQ wrote:| Same problem as with the helicopter. The weight of the birds is transmitted to the ship through the motion of the air. Mythbusters did a segment on exactly that. |
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Hmmm interesting.
Suppose they all drop altitude (from the top to the bottom of the hold) together, the weight transmitted to the ship goes down during that acceleration. So if they keep going up and down during the 20 minutes, there should be a period of time cumulated where the weight is negligible.
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