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(Message started by: BamaBoys619 on Mar 7th, 2005, 3:05pm)
Title: Wonderful Weather
Post by BamaBoys619 on Mar 7th, 2005, 3:05pm
Ask any questions ( If you need them ) and I may answer yes, no, or irrelevant.

   A ship sank in perfect weather conditions. If the weather had been worse, the ship would probably not have sunk. What happened?
Title: Re: Wonderful Weather
Post by Noke Lieu on Mar 7th, 2005, 3:29pm
they scuttled it. heavy weather means they might have been hampered in their escape, thus they waited until it was fair...

Or it was a submarine. Encroaching on a target. The fair weather meant that they had to submerge to avoid detection. Nasty, mountainous seas would have hindered the target detecting the submarine, and they could stay afloat and shell the ship. (problem witht at one is submarines are boats not ships, I think)
Title: Re: Wonderful Weather
Post by BamaBoys on Mar 7th, 2005, 3:56pm
Nope.
Title: Re: Wonderful Weather
Post by Noke Lieu on Mar 7th, 2005, 4:55pm
WEll, that's not much to go on.
It rings a bell, but before I search- so count me out after this- What about it being a ship in bottle?

You'll probably have to wait for Europe to wake up before there's a big response to this mate. But keep with us- it's nice
Title: Re: Wonderful Weather
Post by BamaBoys4Life on Mar 7th, 2005, 5:11pm
It's a big ship in the ocean. Remember to ask questions. I can only answer yes, no, or irrelevant.

   Going a off topic here, you may of notices to changes in my name. Everytime I post I try to put my name as the original " BamaBoys619" but it says that name is already used by another user. Any help?
Title: Re: Wonderful Weather
Post by Noke Lieu on Mar 7th, 2005, 5:35pm
okay, register as a user. That way you get to edit your posts too! and I swear the search function works better when registered...

It's easy, painless, hassle free. Only good can come of it.
Title: Re: Wonderful Weather
Post by towr on Mar 7th, 2005, 11:01pm
Was the ship sank on purpose?
Title: Re: Wonderful Weather
Post by BNC on Mar 8th, 2005, 5:21am
Would you say the crew functioned as they should have?
Title: Re: Wonderful Weather
Post by OnlyAnEgg on Mar 8th, 2005, 9:56am
Was the ship used as target practice for aircraft?
Title: Re: Wonderful Weather
Post by BamaBoys on Mar 8th, 2005, 2:07pm
Was the ship sank on purpose?  

  No.

Would you say the crew functioned as they should have?  
  Yes.


Was the ship used as target practice for aircraft?  

No.
Title: Re: Wonderful Weather
Post by Padzok on Mar 9th, 2005, 2:34pm
I think I know.   ;D

But the hide tags arent working, and I think even an obscure hint would be obvious.

BamaBoys - one of your last 3 answers could be considered controversial.  ;)
Title: Re: Wonderful Weather
Post by BamaBoys on Mar 9th, 2005, 3:29pm
 BamaBoys - one of your last 3 answers could be considered controversial.    ;)

  Thank you for pointing that out. I looked at them for a while and assumed you mean this one:  

 Would you say the crew functioned as they should have?  
  Yes.


  There is no sure way to tell if the crew functioned correctly. However, wether or not they did, it not result in the ship sinking.
Title: Re: Wonderful Weather
Post by Padzok on Mar 10th, 2005, 12:48am
Yes, I meant that one.  :-X
Title: Re: Wonderful Weather
Post by Padzok on Mar 16th, 2005, 3:33pm

on 03/09/05 at 15:29:31, BamaBoys wrote:
There is no sure way to tell if the crew functioned correctly. However, wether or not they did, it not result in the ship sinking.


OK.   ???

That answer doesnt fit with the solution I have in mind.  :-/

Could be we have different ideas about the correct functioning of a ship's crew.   :)

I'm going to hazard a guess that we agree part of the crew's job is to avoid the ship sinking.  ::)

So how about if I ask you the YES/NO question:

"Could the crew have done anything which would have  prevented the sinking?"



Title: Re: Wonderful Weather
Post by Icarus on Mar 16th, 2005, 4:09pm
Was this doomed ship named "Endurance", perhaps? ;)
Title: Re: Wonderful Weather
Post by BamaBoys on Mar 16th, 2005, 5:05pm
 "Could the crew have done anything which would have  prevented the sinking?"  
 


No.


 Was this doomed ship named "Endurance", perhaps?   ;)  

No.
Title: Re: Wonderful Weather
Post by Padzok on Mar 17th, 2005, 12:02am

on 03/16/05 at 17:05:55, BamaBoys wrote:
 "Could the crew have done anything which would have  prevented the sinking?"  
 
No.


Aah!  OK.

That means my guess is wrong. (I think).

Just to check.

Would the ship have been travelling more slowly if the weather had been bad?

If the ship had been travelling more slowly, then would it still have sunk?
Title: Re: Wonderful Weather
Post by BNC on Mar 17th, 2005, 4:36pm
Some somewhat-unrelated questions:

Does "worse weather" mean colder?
Does it mean storm?
Was it a passenger ship?
A war ship?
Were there people on board?
Was the crew on board?
Title: Re: Wonderful Weather
Post by Sjoerd Job Postmus on Mar 18th, 2005, 4:07am
Might I make the educated titanic guess?

I think it would be safe to say that they would've chosen to not go ice-berg-scraping in stormy weather. In other words, they would've avoided the ice-bergs at all cost, staying far away. Therefor, not hitting the iceberg, and not sinking.

Am I right?
Title: Re: Wonderful Weather
Post by Grimbal on Mar 18th, 2005, 5:00am
If the weather had been worse (i.r. colder), the sea would have frozen and the ship would not have sunk.
Title: Re: Wonderful Weather
Post by Padzok on Mar 18th, 2005, 12:38pm
Since somebody's already said it, I may as well add that Titanic was my guess too.

The night was very clear and calm, I believe, and so the ship sailed at full speed.  They thought visibility was good.

If it had been foggy, or stormy, or rainy then they would have sailed more slowly.  

I guess it's debatable whether or not the crew were at fault.  After the collision, there was nothing they could do.  The main issue is that they were warned that there were icebergs in the area, but took no notice because they believed they were too far South to be affected (and presumably thought that they would see any in good time to manoeuvre).  That could be considered a mistake by some people.
Title: Re: Wonderful Weather
Post by Icarus on Mar 18th, 2005, 2:59pm
Actually, I think the Endurance is a much better guess. It did not sink until good weather returned, fitting the clue quite well in my opinion...

If you don't know the what ship the Endurance was, you might want to look it up before discounting it.  ;)
Title: Re: Wonderful Weather
Post by Padzok on Mar 18th, 2005, 3:08pm

on 03/18/05 at 14:59:05, Icarus wrote:
Actually, I think the Endurance is a much better guess. It did not sink until good weather returned, fitting the clue quite well in my opinion...

If you don't know the what ship the Endurance was, you might want to look it up before discounting it.  ;)


... yes, but the fact that the questioner said it is the wrong answer would be the main stumbling block with that one ...   ::)
Title: Re: Wonderful Weather
Post by BamaBoys on Mar 18th, 2005, 5:13pm
Sjoerd Job Postmus and Padzok got the answer. It was Titanic. If the weather had been worse, the lookouts would have seen waves hitting the iceberg or heard the iceberg     (  icebergs make groaning noises when they move )
Title: Re: Wonderful Weather
Post by Icarus on Mar 19th, 2005, 2:22pm
Bah... For those who don't know (probably the vast majority), Endurance was the ship of Antartic explorer Robert Shackleton. Endurance became trapped in the ice, and the crew were stranded through the Antartic winter. When warmer weather returned, the shifting, grinding ice broke the ship, and, since the ice was no longer supporting it, it sank. This led to one of the most harrowing survival stories in history, in which Shackleton overcame tremendous odds to rescue his entire crew.

While Titanic may have been the intended answer, I like mine better, as the cause of the sinking was the return of good weather. With the Titanic, it had far more to do with overwheening arrogance, and a complete failure to take adequate precautions.

As for persisting with my guess after BamaBoys rejected it, I suspect it likely that BamaBoys was not familiar with the reference. The question was not "What ship was it", but rather "what happened". Endurance is not the only ship to sink after being trapped in the ice, so I suspected he was referring to the general phenomenon, rather than the specific ship I was using as an example.
Title: Re: Wonderful Weather
Post by Padzok on Mar 20th, 2005, 5:07am

BamaBoys - Good puzzle.  Got any more?

Icarus - You're prbably right that Ernest Shackleton is not widely known around the world.  It's a bit hard for me to judge because I'm from the UK and he's moderately well-known here (there was a major TV series a couple of years ago, for example).  But even here his renown is dwarfed by that of Robert Scott.  As I'm sure you know "Scott of the Antartic" has always been regarded as a national hero.


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