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(Message started by: Iceman on Nov 22nd, 2006, 9:17am)
Title: Reflection 3
Post by Iceman on Nov 22nd, 2006, 9:17am
A week after the 1st Reflection riddle, Tom and John meet in the street. Tom offers an apology, saying that he bumped into him. He also says that he was in the neighborhood and that he wanted to pay him a visit. So here they are, chatting in John's living room, and then Tom says: 'How about another bet? I will not write anything, as the bet has nothing to do with writing, so you can relax. But I noticed that you are not a make-up man, unlike me. There are no mirrors in your bedroom and I don't have a mirror on me either. We will go straight to the bedroom from here, where I will see clearly my reflection. If so, you owe me 50 bucks. One more thing. I will ask you to do one simplest thing for me inside the bedroom and you must comply. So, what do you think?' John thinks about it for a minute and then says: 'You're on!' What happened soon after is that John lost the bet. What did Tom asked him to do?
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Grimbal on Nov 22nd, 2006, 9:21am
[hide] Tom asks John to agree that Tom won the bet. [/hide]
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Iceman on Nov 22nd, 2006, 1:33pm
Are you kidding again, or are you right again?  ???
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Grimbal on Nov 22nd, 2006, 3:01pm
No, sometimes I am left.
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Iceman on Nov 23rd, 2006, 4:20am
I get it now.. It took me a while.  :-[ Interesting approach, but it looks to me that one thing is missing, that is, Tom seeing his reflection in there. If this looks like hair splitting to you, then let your answer be the winner.  8) The intended answer is out there, so get on it riddlers. 8)
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by towr on Nov 23rd, 2006, 4:25am
It's possible to (literally) see yourself in the reflection in someones eyes. Not sure if that's clear enough though.
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Iceman on Nov 23rd, 2006, 9:18am
No. Not clear enough.  
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Sameer on Nov 23rd, 2006, 10:02am
[hide]Tom asks him to bring a mirror?[/hide]
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Iceman on Nov 24th, 2006, 8:16am
They can leave the bedroom only after the bet, so no.  
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Sameer on Nov 24th, 2006, 11:13am
well then Tom asks him to write "my reflection" somewhere in the bedroom  ;)
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Iceman on Nov 24th, 2006, 4:12pm
Nope. The bet has nothing to do with writing.  ;)
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Sameer on Nov 24th, 2006, 4:53pm

on 11/24/06 at 16:12:41, Iceman wrote:
Nope. The bet has nothing to do with writing.  ;)



Well technically Tom said "I will not write anything"!! ;)
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Desert Lizard on Nov 24th, 2006, 6:45pm
Tom asks him to get his pensieve out of the closet. When he does, Tom puts his memory of looking in the mirror this morning into it and sees his reflection.
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Iceman on Nov 25th, 2006, 4:09am
No to both.
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by TheNumberScott on Nov 27th, 2006, 5:14pm
do either of them wear glasses?

is there a tv in the room?
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Iceman on Nov 28th, 2006, 7:11am
No tv and no glasses.
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Sameer on Nov 28th, 2006, 10:03am
Toms asks him to remove the wallpaper that was installed a week before where "my reflection" was already there from the previous bet!!  ;D
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Iceman on Nov 28th, 2006, 10:14am
That would have not been the simplest thing for him to do.   ;)
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by cchris on Nov 28th, 2006, 1:52pm
He asked him to hold a knife up as if he were going to stab him, and in the knife, saw his reflection. Wrong, right?
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by ChunkTug on Dec 1st, 2006, 1:09am
Tom asks John to cup his hands and pee in them?
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Iceman on Dec 1st, 2006, 2:54am
No.



on 11/28/06 at 13:52:37, cchris wrote:
He asked him to hold a knife up as if he were going to stab him, and in the knife, saw his reflection. Wrong, right?

This is the answer for the [hide]Dessert [/hide]riddle.  :o Best thing to do is to post it there.  ;)
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by cchris on Dec 1st, 2006, 7:20pm
Ah, wow, I can't believe I suggested [hide]reflection off of an eating utensil[/hide] and didn't even piece the two puzzles together.
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by TheNumberScott on Dec 2nd, 2006, 9:31pm
asks him to give him $100, and loses the bet, so even though he gives back $50, he still has $50.
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Iceman on Dec 3rd, 2006, 5:04am
Nope.
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by honkyboy on Dec 5th, 2006, 3:25pm
Tom asked him to open the curtains?

Is this why John is always borrowing from Mark?  To pay Tom for these silly bets?
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by cchris on Dec 6th, 2006, 6:36pm
Is there anything reflective in the house?
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Iceman on Dec 8th, 2006, 5:23am
Yes.




The clue: [hide]A certain little part of the riddle that sounds unimportant, it is, actually, very important. [/hide]  ;)
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by cchris on Dec 8th, 2006, 7:32am
If he [hide]"sees clearly" his reflection, does that mean his reflection is clear[/hide]?
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Iceman on Dec 8th, 2006, 7:46am
Yes. It means what it means.
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Grimbal on Dec 8th, 2006, 9:01am

on 12/08/06 at 05:23:30, Iceman wrote:
The clue: [hide]A certain little part of the riddle that sounds unimportant, it is, actually, very important. [/hide]  ;)

"In a straight line".  It is a straight line from where he is to the bedroom.  If he places a mirror right where he is standing, he can see himself from the bedroom.  He kindly asks his friend to hold the mirror.
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Iceman on Dec 8th, 2006, 9:28am
No. They are inside the bedroom.
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by TheNumberScott on Dec 8th, 2006, 9:41am
It has to be a week?
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Iceman on Dec 8th, 2006, 9:48am
A what?
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by azalia on Dec 8th, 2006, 9:59am
He said, "[hide]Look me in they eyes.[/hide]"
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Iceman on Dec 8th, 2006, 11:32am
Huh?  ???
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by TheNumberScott on Dec 8th, 2006, 12:10pm

on 12/08/06 at 09:48:09, Iceman wrote:
A what?


a week. like, 7 days. Does it have to be a week.

I'm trying to figure out what seemingly small detail is actually important. So, I looked through, and that was the only thing that didn't seem important, but maybe could be for some reason.
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Iceman on Dec 8th, 2006, 12:34pm
No. That part of the riddle is not important.
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by cchris on Dec 8th, 2006, 12:36pm
[hide]So he says he sees his reflection, and the other guy can't see it since it's clear[/hide].
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Laudie on Dec 8th, 2006, 3:17pm

on 12/08/06 at 12:36:28, cchris wrote:
[hide]So he says he sees his reflection, and the other guy can't see it since it's clear[/hide].


But then his friend would ask, "but how can you see your own reflection when it is clear?"  And he would not pay the money because John is lying.

My guess is [hide]Tom own's the house, therefore it must be the master bedroom, and the master bedroom is attached to a bathroom.  John asks Tom to open the bathroom door, and he sees the mirror.[/hide]  I'm guessing this is too obvious though, and Tom wouldn't have agreed since he knew about the bathroom, so this is probably wrong.
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Icarus on Dec 8th, 2006, 3:42pm
I was about to post the same answer. Tom is stupid, as has been demonstrated in the preceding Tom & John riddles, so he isn't going to realize that John can just ask him to [hide]open a door to a room with a mirror.[/hide]
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Iceman on Dec 9th, 2006, 10:48am
Triple no.    ::)


How about considering the [hide]2nd sentence of the riddle under the magnifying glass[/hide]..   ;)
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by TheNumberScott on Dec 9th, 2006, 10:51am
So he literally bumps into John?

Is he not wearing his glasses?
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by cchris on Dec 9th, 2006, 11:00am
So the [hide]wallpaper has arrived[/hide], I assume.
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Iceman on Dec 24th, 2006, 9:10am

on 12/09/06 at 10:51:45, TheNumberScott wrote:
So he literally bumps into John?

[hide]Not really[/hide]. Don't [hide]believe everything [/hide]you [hide]hear[/hide].  ;)
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by denis on Dec 24th, 2006, 2:25pm
[hide]Suppose it's night time and dark outside. That's probably why Tom apologised seeing as it was getting late.[/hide]

[hide]Tom asks John to open the curtain to the bedroom window (all bedrooms have windows).  Since it's dark outside and because of the bedroom light is on, Tom would crearly see his reflection in the window.  
In Reflection 1, John says he will not look at his reflection in the window. There is no such restriction in this puzzle.[/hide]

Edit: I just noticed honkyBoy's solution is the same so it seems this isn't the answer.
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by Iceman on Dec 25th, 2006, 9:21am
Nope.  
Title: Re: Reflection 3: the final reflection
Post by orange_cat on Nov 18th, 2011, 12:10am
Are we going to get an answer to this one?

How about some questions:

Did either of them leave the bedroom after they entered?
Did either of them bring any objects with them or have them concealed on them?
Are these objects reflective? Are they important?
Did he ask him to move something in the room?
Title: Re: Reflection 3
Post by alien2 on Nov 18th, 2011, 7:16am
Aargh! Die topic die!



on 11/18/11 at 00:10:33, orange_cat wrote:
Are we going to get an answer to this one?

Do you want me to say the answer?



on 11/18/11 at 00:10:33, orange_cat wrote:
Did either of them leave the bedroom after they entered?

Not allowed.


on 11/18/11 at 00:10:33, orange_cat wrote:
Did he ask him to move something in the room?

Not really.


on 11/18/11 at 00:10:33, orange_cat wrote:
Did either of them bring any objects with them or have them concealed on them?

One of them had an object. Yes.


on 11/18/11 at 00:10:33, orange_cat wrote:
Are these objects reflective? Are they important?

Yes.
Title: Re: Reflection 3
Post by orange_cat on Nov 19th, 2011, 2:52am
No, don't say it yet.

Could Tom have won the bet without the extra condition that John do the one thing he said?

Did Tom see his reflection in the shiny object?

Did Tom ask John to show him the object, or to let him hold it or look at it?

Was it Tom who had the object?

Did Tom know the object would be there before he made the bet?
Title: Re: Reflection 3
Post by alien2 on Nov 19th, 2011, 4:30am

on 11/19/11 at 02:52:10, orange_cat wrote:
Could Tom have won the bet without the extra condition that John do the one thing he said?

No.  


on 11/19/11 at 02:52:10, orange_cat wrote:
Did Tom ask John to show him the object, or to let him hold it or look at it?

Tom asked John to [hide]give him something[/hide].


on 11/19/11 at 02:52:10, orange_cat wrote:
Was it Tom who had the object?

No.


on 11/19/11 at 02:52:10, orange_cat wrote:
Did Tom know the object would be there before he made the bet?

Yes.


on 11/22/06 at 09:21:01, Grimbal wrote:
[hide] Tom asks John to agree that Tom won the bet. [/hide]



on 11/24/06 at 11:13:09, Sameer wrote:
well then Tom asks him to write "my reflection" somewhere in the bedroom  ;)



on 12/02/06 at 21:31:53, TheNumberScott wrote:
asks him to give him $100, and loses the bet, so even though he gives back $50, he still has $50.

Nice try.
Title: Re: Reflection 3
Post by khuram4u on Nov 19th, 2011, 7:21am
well must have seen reflection in water or on bright surface... i guess
Title: Re: Reflection 3
Post by alien2 on Nov 24th, 2011, 11:02am
He saw his reflection in [hide]a little mirror[/hide]. So what is the darn answer?  >:(  ::)  :'(  :-[  :P
Title: Re: Reflection 3
Post by Vondell on Dec 20th, 2017, 7:59pm
[hide]When Tom bumped into John, he hid his compact in John's pocket then asked for it back in the bedroom.[/hide]
Title: Re: Reflection 3
Post by alien2 on Dec 21st, 2017, 2:00am

on 12/20/17 at 19:59:27, Vondell wrote:
[hide]When Tom bumped into John, he hid his compact in John's pocket then asked for it back in the bedroom.[/hide]

To be honest, I pretty much forgot the answer. But, IF I do remember correctly, and it is coming back to me now, I reckon you hit the nail right on the head! Yes, I think so.

Or mayhap [hide]it was his portrait on the wall which, evidently, has a reflection, although somewhat delayed.  [/hide]


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