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(Message started by: Iceman on Mar 15^th, 2008, 1:17pm)

Title: Se7en
Post by Iceman on Mar 15^th, 2008, 1:17pm

standby for a brilliant riddle * it needs polishing * it will be ready in a few days

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Title: Re: the nameless riddle
Post by Master of Everything 42 on Mar 15^th, 2008, 1:20pm

.nameci boj dooG

Title: Re: the nameless riddle
Post by iono on Mar 16^th, 2008, 9:12pm

so why not just start it when you have it ready?

Title: Re: the nameless riddle
Post by JiNbOtAk on Mar 16^th, 2008, 9:29pm

This is a soft launch of the riddle, to build up the suspense. Hope denis doesn't answer it in his first post, otherwise the build up would be wasted. ::)

Title: Re: the nameless riddle
Post by Grimbal on Mar 16^th, 2008, 10:35pm

Coming soon ... a brilliant answer.
It needs polishing.
It will be ready in a few days.

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;D

Title: Re: the nameless riddle
Post by Master of Everything 42 on Mar 17^th, 2008, 1:24pm

?elddir a pu ekam ot gnitanitsarcorp rouY

.namecI ton os s'ti

Title: Re: Seven
Post by Iceman on Mar 18^th, 2008, 9:00am

Sorry for the peculiar delay. Here's the riddle.

Seven

Detective Somerset is investigating a murder case. The murder occurred in victim's secluded house, where the killer left the note in her hand: 'find me Somerset'. Janis was a loner and w/o living relatives, which was one of the reasons the demented, intelligent killer has chosen her.

So Somerset is in the bedroom where the body is laying. These are the objects in the room: bed, nightstand with lamp and Bible on it, painting of sunset and analog clock both on the wall. Nothing, including fingerprints, was found at the usual investigation inside the room, as the killer cuts the skin of the tips of his fingers. But then the detective Somerset has an idea, so the killer is located and arrested the same day. How? Mind you, it wasn't because the killer was sloppy and the detective didn't find additional objects.

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Title: Re: Seven
Post by Grimbal on Mar 18^th, 2008, 10:03am

Sorry for the peculiar delay. Here's the answer.

Somerset had the whole city checked for fingerprints. He arrested all those who had the skin cut from the tip of their fingers.

Title: Re: Seven
Post by ima1trkpny on Mar 18^th, 2008, 10:12am

How was she killed Icey?

Title: Re: Seven
Post by Iceman on Mar 18^th, 2008, 10:43am

on 03/18/08 at 10:03:18, Grimbal wrote:

Sommerset had the whole city checked for fingerprints. He arrested all those who had the skin cut from the tip of their fingers.

Is this your brilliant answer or still suspense? ::)

on 03/18/08 at 10:12:51, ima1trkpny wrote:

How was she killed Icey?

She was throttled, although it is unimportant for the riddle.

Title: Re: Seven
Post by Iceman on Mar 18^th, 2008, 10:59am

on 03/18/08 at 10:03:18, Grimbal wrote:

Sommerset

Actually it is Somerset. I made a similar mistake but I corrected it now.

Title: Re: Seven
Post by denis on Mar 18^th, 2008, 12:29pm

on 03/18/08 at 09:00:43, Iceman wrote:

painting of sunset on the wall.

How do we know its not a painting of sunrise?

The note was written in advance on the killer's paper pad. Somerset could read the signature indentation from the previous note that was written on the same pad.

Title: Re: Seven
Post by ima1trkpny on Mar 18^th, 2008, 1:26pm

on 03/18/08 at 10:43:58, Iceman wrote:

She was throttled, although it is unimportant for the riddle.

Well, you could at least eliminate a few people based on the ligature marks on her neck. I'll keep working... :)

[edit] The killer is a [hide]7 fingered man[/hide]? That shouldn't be too hard to find... [/edit]

Title: Re: Seven
Post by Iceman on Mar 18^th, 2008, 1:46pm

on 03/18/08 at 12:29:59, denis wrote:

This time I don't know what you're talking about. There was no previous note, as this was his 1st misdeed, and last.

on 03/18/08 at 13:26:02, ima1trkpny wrote:

Nothing like so.

You have to enter the spirit of the riddle to solve it.

Title: Re: Seven
Post by denis on Mar 18^th, 2008, 3:08pm

on 03/18/08 at 09:00:43, Iceman wrote:

Nothing, including fingerprints, was found at the usual investigation inside the room, as the killer cuts the skin of the tips of his fingers.
There was no previous note, as this was his 1st misdeed, and last.

If this is the one and only only misdeed, why bother cutting his finger tips? He need only wear gloves. Or is this part important to solve the puzzle?

The fact the note mentioned Somerset by name could mean the murderer knew he would be assigned to the investigation. How could that be unless it was someone who worked with him?

Somerset went back to his precinct and checked everyone's fingers. The one that has all his fingers tips cut would be the murderer.

Title: Re: Seven
Post by Iceman on Mar 18^th, 2008, 3:42pm

on 03/18/08 at 15:08:06, denis wrote:

If this is the one and only only misdeed, why bother cutting his finger tips? He need only wear gloves. Or is this part important to solve the puzzle?

Perhaps he thinks ahead, and he wanted to do it again, in the future. Then again, a part of him, evidently, wanted to be caught by Somerset, as he thinks highly of him. In short, he's demented, as I said.

on 03/18/08 at 15:08:06, denis wrote:

The fact the note mentioned Somerset by name could mean the murderer knew he would be assigned to the investigation. How could that be unless it was someone who worked with him?

He likes Somerset. But yes, it would be more appropriate that this wasn't his 1st misdeed, so more power to you. I dunno much about organizational design of the police department, but perhaps Somerset likes stranglers in the night. Did I say stranglers? I meant strangers. In any case, only this time he left a note.

on 03/18/08 at 15:08:06, denis wrote:

Somerset went back to his precinct and checked everyone's fingers. The one that has all his fingers tips cut would be the murderer.

Nope. No fingertips and no fingers. :P

Title: Re: Seven
Post by Grimbal on Mar 18^th, 2008, 3:55pm

He thought the killer must have read the Bible.

The murderer must have turned some pages. He had to lick his fingers because they are so smooth and dry. That way Somerset go a DNA sample. He arrested his arch-enemy, Winterset.

Title: Re: Seven
Post by mikedagr8 on Mar 18^th, 2008, 6:26pm

Sounds like the movie of Se7en. When you say routine check, did they check behind the painting? Did they use UV light? Things like that?

Title: Re: Seven
Post by Iceman on Mar 19^th, 2008, 4:37am

on 03/18/08 at 15:55:18, Grimbal wrote:

But why would he ever think that he cuts his fingertips like that? It is reasonable to assume that he used gloves instead. And perhaps it sounds a bit silly, but at least your thinking now. ;)

on 03/18/08 at 18:26:34, mikedagr8 wrote:

Sounds like the movie of Se7en. When you say routine check, did they check behind the painting? Did they use UV light? Things like that?

It doesn't sound like routine check to me. Then again, I dunno much about it, and after the above movie maybe it is the routine now. Perhaps it wasn't routine check, but later Somerset had an idea. Focus on what I said, instead of inventing things like something behind the picture.

Keep guessing like that you both, but no saliva and the picture wasn't turned upside down either. This time I'm looking exclusively for intended answer and an original one if I may say.

Title: Re: Seven
Post by JiNbOtAk on Mar 19^th, 2008, 5:25am

Clearly, the murderer wanted Somerset to find him. Knowing Somerset's first name is Matthew, he laid out the clues a la' Dan Brown.

He set to clock to 4:18pm ( the sunset points the time to be pm ), which translate to 16:18. Combined with the note, he had to use his name together with that clue, giving him the next clue Matthew 16:18. Referring to the Bible on the nightstand, he came to the verse, "And I say to thee. thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." He immediately run the name Rocky Peter, Peter the Rock, Rockey Petey, etc, through the database, rounding them up, to check on their fingertips.

I'm still waiting for a clue here.. :P

Title: Re: Seven
Post by Iceman on Mar 19^th, 2008, 5:33am

Nope. Clock is unimportant. Maybe if we eliminate one thing at a time, the remaining one will be a give away? Hm..

on 03/19/08 at 05:25:39, JiNbOtAk wrote:

I'm still waiting for a clue here.. :P

.....perhaps rightfully so. ::) 8)

Title: Re: Seven
Post by gotit on Mar 19^th, 2008, 6:51am

From where did he get the paper to write the note. Did he tear it from the bible?

Title: Re: Seven
Post by Iceman on Mar 19^th, 2008, 7:19am

It is just a note.

Title: Re: Seven
Post by gotit on Mar 19^th, 2008, 7:49am

on 03/18/08 at 09:00:43, Iceman wrote:

But then the detective Somerset has an idea

What does that mean. Did he lay a trap for the killer or did he actually find a concrete proof against him?

Title: Re: Seven
Post by denis on Mar 19^th, 2008, 8:49am

Somerset went to the local library to see who borrowed the bible recently. Of course the killer would not leave his real name otherwise Somerset would not find him by virtue of this being his first misdeed. The entry that would interest Somerset would be something like "John Doe" , "me", "Janis Sunset" or even "Somerset". But since the murderer wanted to get caught, he used his correct address on his library card (Just like in the movie Se7en). So Somerset finds his man at the address listed in the library records which was confirmed by the cut fingertips and blood DNA of Janis on his clothes.

Title: Re: Seven
Post by Iceman on Mar 19^th, 2008, 10:26am

No to both. The killer was arrested in his apartment.

Title: Re: Seven
Post by denis on Mar 19^th, 2008, 1:47pm

So the victim was a loner with no/few friends correct?

Did the killer know the victim? (I would think yes since the riddle said he chose her because of this particular characteristic)

Title: Re: Seven
Post by Iceman on Mar 19^th, 2008, 2:16pm

Although it's an important part of the whole picture, I'd say you're drifting a bit right now.

Title: Re: Seven
Post by Iceman on Mar 19^th, 2008, 3:53pm

Btw, a loner with no friends is the case here.

Title: Re: Seven
Post by denis on Mar 19^th, 2008, 5:59pm

on 03/19/08 at 14:16:47, Iceman wrote:

I'd say you're drifting a bit right now.

OK what about this?
[hide]
The killer, since he likes to cut his fingertips, does a lot of finger painting. It turns out, the sunset painting was one of his own paintings, using paint mixed with his own blood to get a deep red hue that only blood can bring out.

Somerset analyzed the paint and found that it contained human DNA.

So how does he tie it back to the killer? Well the killer was demented of course. He also had an ego. He signed his own name to the painting like any other artist would do.

So armed with a name and a DNA sample, to find the owner of the painting was simple for Somerset. He need only match the DNA sample with that of a person going by the name signed on the painting.

But Somerset needed forensic evidence that the painter was at the scene of the crime. After all, the painting could have been done and given to Janis well in advance of the murder. One way is to find some of Janis' blood on one or more of his article of clothings or in his apartment.

However, that is not demented enough for this riddle and we know the killer is not sloppy. What Somerset found was that there was also DNA belonging to Janis' blood in the paint on the same painting. By finding both the artists's DNA and Janis's DNA in the painting, the evidence is overwhelming that he was present at the crime scene given she was a loner and never socialized.[/hide]

EDIT: Added the hide tags to hide the solution.

Title: Re: Seven
Post by iono on Mar 19^th, 2008, 7:50pm

Does "sunset" and "somerset" have ANYTHING at all to do in common?
just guessing.

Title: Re: Seven
Post by Iceman on Mar 20^th, 2008, 11:59pm

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You got it Denis, aside for complicating things a bit. So he didn't sign anything, and I believe that forensics is advanced enough in USA to simply use a DNA sample from the picture and find the killer. Maybe it's even faster than looking for matching fingerprints. Of course, there has to be some record, criminal will do, otherwise the riddle would be unfounded. And it was his blood only on the painting.

Title: Re: Seven
Post by Iceman on Mar 21^st, 2008, 3:39am

Btw, heh, I guess he wasn't that intelligent after all, probably being imprisoned before. ::)

Title: Re: Seven
Post by denis on Mar 21^st, 2008, 9:40am

Thanks Ice..... nice riddle btw.

[hide]The reason I had him sign the painting is that this was his first misdeed.[/hide]

on 03/18/08 at 13:46:16, Iceman wrote:

as this was his 1st misdeed, and last.

[hide]
Because he never misdeeded before, his DNA would not exist in the criminal DNA database and therefore be almost impossible to track down. So by signing the painting Somerset had a name to go with the DNA.

The reason I had Janis's DNA also in the painting was to place the killer at the scene. Otherwise, he could have sold his painting to someone who sold it to her later and he need not ever meet the woman.

Regarding mixing blood in the paint to get a special red color, I saw this in the movie "The Red Violin" (this was not a murder movie though).
[/hide]

EDIT: added the hide tags to conceal parts of solution

Title: Re: Seven
Post by Iceman on Mar 21^st, 2008, 1:48pm

My bad. All right, so it wasn't his 1st misdeed. It's a bit late to correct that now but it's never too late to do the right thing, I think. ::)

on 03/21/08 at 09:40:28, denis wrote:

nice riddle btw.

......cutting the skin of fingertips and drawing paintings in blood? ;)

Title: Re: Seven
Post by Iceman on Mar 21^st, 2008, 1:54pm

Wait! Perhaps it was his 1st misdeed, but he was unjustly arrested before. Damn I'm good! I'm back with vengeance. 8)