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Anyone think that dragons are real i do
i mean how could countrys that never met have the sames basic ideas of a same creature unless it was real
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Re: Dragons
« Reply #1 on: Aug 31st, 2007, 1:26am » |
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Because the people in the countries migrate; that's how they got there in the first place.
Nevermind that a western dragon looks nothing like an eastern dragon, so they might not have the same origin. And if there is, the common origin may well lie in something like e.g. dinosaur bones, which don't have the tendency to keep themselves to imaginary borders people thought up.
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Re: Dragons
« Reply #2 on: Aug 31st, 2007, 8:40am » |
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You mean you were alive when pterodactyls were flying over the earth? 
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Re: Dragons
« Reply #3 on: Aug 31st, 2007, 4:27pm » |
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Someone had to have been alive then.
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Re: Dragons
« Reply #4 on: Sep 1st, 2007, 9:30am » |
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on Aug 31st, 2007, 4:27pm, mikedagr8 wrote:| Someone had to have been alive then. |
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Why someone? Something, certainly, but why people? (Seems to be at least some 60 million years difference going by the fossil record)
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Re: Dragons
« Reply #5 on: Sep 1st, 2007, 4:41pm » |
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Who ever said that I was specifying the most evolved form of humans? Going back to that time period, there would have been an ancient form of a 'homo erectus', or similar.
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Re: Dragons
« Reply #6 on: Sep 2nd, 2007, 7:29am » |
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on Sep 1st, 2007, 4:41pm, mikedagr8 wrote:| Who ever said that I was specifying the most evolved form of humans? Going back to that time period, there would have been an ancient form of a 'homo erectus', or similar. |
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No, there wouldn't. The old species of Homo is no more than 7 or 8 million years old (and that's stretching it. Also see Wikipedia ).
At the time of the dinosaurs mammals were limited to small rodent-like creatures. Nothing even close to human.
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« Reply #7 on: Sep 2nd, 2007, 2:54pm » |
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Quote:No, there wouldn't. The old species of Homo is no more than 7 or 8 million years old (and that's stretching it. Also see Wikipedia ).
At the time of the dinosaurs mammals were limited to small rodent-like creatures. Nothing even close to human. |
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True, now I have read that I see I have screwed up majorly  . But, the oldest form of homo, must have evolved from something, and that from something else, and eventually, back to the time of the dinosaurs. So assuming you believe in Darwin and his theories, there would have been some ancestor of humans at that period of time? No?
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Re: Dragons
« Reply #8 on: Sep 2nd, 2007, 6:37pm » |
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on Sep 2nd, 2007, 2:54pm, mikedagr8 wrote:| So assuming you believe in Darwin and his theories, .. |
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That is a pretty big assumption. Why would I want to believe his theory ?
( A provocation to the Darwinism champions in the forums, if any  )
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Re: Dragons
« Reply #9 on: Sep 2nd, 2007, 6:40pm » |
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on Sep 2nd, 2007, 6:37pm, JiNbOtAk wrote:
That is a pretty big assumption. Why would I want to believe his theory ?
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Well for starters it is a better and more sound theory than the alternative!!
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Re: Dragons
« Reply #10 on: Sep 2nd, 2007, 11:20pm » |
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on Sep 2nd, 2007, 2:54pm, mikedagr8 wrote:| True, now I have read that I see I have screwed up majorly . But, the oldest form of homo, must have evolved from something, and that from something else, and eventually, back to the time of the dinosaurs. So assuming you believe in Darwin and his theories, there would have been some ancestor of humans at that period of time? No? |
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Some ancestor yes, but totally unlike anything human; well, as unlike a human as that mouse I just saw running through the hallway..
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Re: Dragons
« Reply #11 on: Sep 2nd, 2007, 11:27pm » |
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on Sep 2nd, 2007, 6:37pm, JiNbOtAk wrote:That is a pretty big assumption. Why would I want to believe his theory ?
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It's useful. It explains observation (fossil record, distribution of species, laboratory experiments, etc), with a mechanism that we can actually use to get things done (and, in fact, unwittingly have used for thousands of years in agriculture).
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Re: Dragons
« Reply #12 on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 1:20am » |
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on Sep 2nd, 2007, 6:40pm, Sameer wrote:
Well for starters it is a better and more sound theory than the alternative!! |
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The alternative being...?
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Re: Dragons
« Reply #14 on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 1:43am » |
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I'm a member of that religion/church/cult. I'm all for it, except I believe that the increase of politicians and not decrease of pirates is to blame for global warming. 
Good Call.
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Re: Dragons
« Reply #15 on: Sep 6th, 2007, 11:21am » |
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on Sep 2nd, 2007, 11:20pm, towr wrote:
Some ancestor yes, but totally unlike anything human; well, as unlike a human as that mouse I just saw running through the hallway.. |
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well actually humans and mice share 99% of their genes. Scary 
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Re: Dragons
« Reply #16 on: Sep 6th, 2007, 11:38am » |
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on Sep 6th, 2007, 11:21am, hiyathere wrote:| well actually humans and mice share 99% of their genes. Scary |
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I think there's still some difference between the genes, but that they have the same function and can be pretty much exchanged.
Of course there's also other important differences that don't follow from the difference in DNA. (e.g. Protein folding isn't determined by DNA but plays a major role in how proteins function.)
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« Reply #17 on: Sep 6th, 2007, 1:28pm » |
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on Sep 6th, 2007, 11:38am, towr wrote:
I think there's still some difference between the genes, but that they have the same function and can be pretty much exchanged.
Of course there's also other important differences that don't follow from the difference in DNA. (e.g. Protein folding isn't determined by DNA but plays a major role in how proteins function.) |
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Well, to be entirely accurate, you and the mouse do share 99% of your genetic material. The thing is which genes are turned on to become active are determind by their protein coating. So you both have thousands of identical genes, however some of his are turned on that yours aren't and vice versa, and of course you both have many that neither of you uses. Fascinating stuff
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« Reply #18 on: Sep 7th, 2007, 4:27am » |
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So does this mean, that I have a partial one-up on towr on this occasion?
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Re: Dragons
« Reply #19 on: Sep 7th, 2007, 4:39am » |
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on Sep 7th, 2007, 4:27am, mikedagr8 wrote:| So does this mean, that I have a partial one-up on towr on this occasion? |
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Well, if you look purely at genes, and ignore the non-encoding DNA, epigenetics and proteomics; then we we may be close to 99% the same as our ancestors of 65 million years ago (the most recent ancester of mice and men is probably younger, so the genetic difference further back should be larger).
Factoring in all the other differences makes the similarity much smaller though.
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« Reply #20 on: Sep 7th, 2007, 4:41am » |
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on Sep 7th, 2007, 4:39am, towr wrote:
Well, if you look purely at genes, and ignore the non-encoding DNA, epigenetics and proteomics; then we we may be close to 99% the same as our ancestors of 65 million years ago (the most recent ancester of mice and men is probably younger, so the genetic difference further back should be larger).
Factoring in all the other differences makes the similarity much smaller though. |
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Are you a lawyer? You didn't exactly answer my question. A simple 'yes' or 'no' or a combination will suffice.
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Re: Dragons
« Reply #21 on: Sep 7th, 2007, 4:48am » |
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on Sep 7th, 2007, 4:41am, mikedagr8 wrote:| Are you a lawyer? You didn't exactly answer my question. A simple 'yes' or 'no' or a combination will suffice. |
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Ah, but, how you arrive at a solution is more important than the final answer. 
But if you want, in this case I'd say no.
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« Reply #22 on: Sep 7th, 2007, 4:50am » |
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on Sep 7th, 2007, 4:48am, towr wrote:
Ah, but, how you arrive at a solution is more important than the final answer.
But if you want, in this case I'd say no. |
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So are you saying that it is not more important how you arrive under these circumstances, or that I am not one up?
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« Reply #23 on: Sep 7th, 2007, 5:08am » |
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on Sep 7th, 2007, 4:50am, mikedagr8 wrote:| So are you saying that it is not more important how you arrive under these circumstances, or that I am not one up? |
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The latter.
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« Reply #24 on: Sep 7th, 2007, 5:09am » |
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OK then. You be stubborn just because I'm right.
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