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Title: women - big problem Post by Sergey Brin on Feb 7th, 2005, 10:42pm I am 23 years old now and have been trying to date a number of women, but always managed to screw up along the way. I used to attribute that the field my study (cs/applied math), stutterness, etc. Don't get me wrong, - I am good looking guy; fairly cultured etc., What is the way to get successive with female type? tips, advices suggestions will be highly appreciated. thanks |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by John_Gaughan on Feb 8th, 2005, 7:21am Be yourself, and be persistent. I am a CompSci geek but my wife still loves me. She loves me for who I am. Don't try to be something you aren't. Also, don't go for a relationship at first. Just try to make more female friends. Eventually one will stand out as someone you want to date. In my case I knew my wife for five years before getting married. We didn't even date. However, she had a crush on me for years and we knew each other fairly well. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by puzzlecracker on Feb 21st, 2005, 5:08pm You see - our field of study doomed us to ugly women – leftovers, or other scientists and nerds. It doesn't really mean that love would be absent. On the contrary, these women will actually love us, for either money, academic life, loyalty, etc (rarely, for what we are - would you want to love a person that loves internet and puzzles more than anything else in life). We, as computer scientist, mathematician, trained ourselves to look at women in certain way; as well as our expectations are different. We usually look at women and see some kind of cosmic machine for “refuelment”. We need them so that we can progress the world with our equations, published papers, experiments, new age games, solved puzzles and NP problems, etc. We created concept of love so that these species (i.e. female in kind) had some hopes in life, in daydreams (read more about this here http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=truth;action=display;num=1102138220 we dream therefore we are). WE elude them, and take adavantage of them (such as having them bring us pizza and beer while we solve puzzle on woo’s site). So, to solve your problems and to stop perpetuated failures with women, - I suggest you join forces with us and start looking at women in proper way, i.e., our way. Sometimes, but very rarely, I have seen beautiful women with nerds as ourselves. Really stunning ones! But these couples usually didn’t last past first wedding night (especially when a groom spends first half of the night playing Half life 2 or Doom 3). Furthermore, I think these marriages were premeditated with some specific goal on women’s part. But scientists are smarter than that: these women get abused and thrown out before their goals are realized (goals such as to become a legal alien in US ) - we sometimes create these goals so that later we can break it and find another victim to reprise it. In a way, it is a never-ending loop. I hope everyone shares this perspective deep down in their hearts. ...cracker. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Noke Lieu on Feb 21st, 2005, 9:13pm puzzlecracker >:( ??? :-/ (as in disapproving scowl, but I know that you're trying to be funny) Sergey :o What? You are really asking? Depends on what you mean as being successful with women. Adonis that I am ::), lets see what I can help you with. First off, make sure you're not trying to impress anyone. By that I mean, don't try to go out with someone to impress your mates. It doesn't work like that. Don't try to impress the girl you've targeted. So play to your strengths- but don't try to ram 'how damn good you are' down her throat. Ladies like to uncover things about you. And then change them, but that's another story. Also, remember the chase is often more fun than the catch. Analyse what you've done, where things have gone wrong. THEN DON'T REPEAT THEM. There seem to be unwritten rules (or maybe they're in cosmo or some such) and clumsy gits like us can only feel our way in the dark, and learn from mistakes. Besides, 23? Pah- nothing to worry about. You've only just learned how to do a tax return nicely, you probably don't need to shave all that frequently. Why in such a rush to find the answer to the ultimate riddle? ;) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by puzzlecracker on Apr 4th, 2005, 2:25pm ah, women! going on a date is equivalent to going to an interview. and marriage is like a patch.. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Bethany on Dec 9th, 2005, 9:39am Just be yourself. You will find the right one soon enough. Atleast you are a man. Females attract more to a guys personality then looks. But a guy is more attracted to how a female looks. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by anonymous on Jul 30th, 2006, 10:40am Absolutely agree with Bethany. Although there are many guys who aren't as beauty-orientated as the common generalization. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by puzzlecracker on Sep 8th, 2006, 4:43pm Are you serious[y](insane)? Do you agree to be sweet, kind, respectful and ASS KISSING to women? This kind of a behavior is called " TURNING INTO A NEEDY WUSS AND TRYING TO WIN ANY WOMAN." Follow these steps and be MAN about: 1) Stop being "nice" to attractive women. This means no asking women out, no giving them lots of compliments, no putting your needs aside, no accepting manipulative behavior to please women, and no giving women special treatment or privileges just because they're attractive. NOTE: I did NOT say to treat women BADLY. I'm just telling you to stop doing all the FAKE things you're doing just to make women like you. 2) Stop handing women your, um, testosterone making devices on a silver platter. In other words, stop giving away your power to women. Do not communicate in ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM that you will put aside your own self respect in order to get a woman's approval. 3) Say the word "NO" to a request from an attractive woman at least once every single day. Do NOT do this in an angry, mean, or abusive way. Just simply say, "no". (By the way, it's OK to say "no" in a serious tone, then DO the thing she requested after making her sweat a little. This is using sarcasm and humor, and if it's done right it will earn you big points). 4) Pay close attention as you do these things, and notice how attractive women will seem MORE comfortable being around you, and want to spend MORE time with you... all because you're not acting needy, clingy, and WUSS-LIKE. Fondly, puzzlecracker |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by anonymous on Sep 14th, 2006, 9:51am Quote:
Since when has being sweet, kind and respectful become wuss-like behaviour? :-/ Some good advice up there though. But some of them could easily become a one-way ticket to losing her. But IMO it all pretty much depends on who you're trying to attract. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by APOPTOSIS on Sep 29th, 2006, 8:39pm Agreed with puzzlecracker 100% I had this problem before. He is bascially saying "be yourself and don't kiss ass" because then you will probably not end up with someone you truly love. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by flamingdragon on Nov 28th, 2006, 9:47pm I've heard insulting women also works well. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by flamingdragon on Nov 29th, 2006, 9:26pm Wow, that is weird, I haven't gotten a negative comment for saying that yet. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on Nov 29th, 2006, 9:29pm Guess that means it's true. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by flamingdragon on Nov 29th, 2006, 9:32pm Indeed, it must be true. Thats how my brother does it after listening to hundreds of tapes about attracting women anyways. BTW How did I get 130 posts already? |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on Nov 29th, 2006, 9:34pm There's actually some truth to it. And I'm sure those tapes are garbage. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by flamingdragon on Nov 29th, 2006, 9:40pm No, he looked online found the ones that worked the most and were the most popular then downloaded them. I mean "bought" them of course. ;) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by THUDandBLUNDER on Nov 30th, 2006, 12:26am on 11/29/06 at 21:32:12, flamingdragon wrote:
You closed your eyes and started randomly typing and then clicked Post, 130 times. I think you should have put that one in Easy. ::) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by flamingdragon on Nov 30th, 2006, 7:39am lol, thats how I normally do it, but not his time. Don't think I want to get kicked off this one for spamming it. ;D |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Sameer on Nov 30th, 2006, 9:54am The time you posted you had 130 posts: Nov. 29th 9:32 pm Right now: Nov. 30 9:53am. Posts you have 170. That is an average of 40 posts/12 hours. How long will it take flamingdragon to become uberpuzzler?? ;) Keep up the enthusiasm... |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on Nov 30th, 2006, 9:56am A week more. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by R0B1N on Dec 1st, 2006, 8:02am GUYS ! Please give some more tips ;D ;D What if the same girl is good friend of yours ? ;) :-X ;D |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by rmsgrey on Dec 2nd, 2006, 6:22am on 12/01/06 at 08:02:47, R0B1N wrote:
If she's a friend, then try talking to her about it. The last thing you want to do is to try to somehow trick her into dating you. Maybe nothing will come of it, but, if you don't try, you'll definitely get nothing... And if you can't talk to her about the girls you like, how good a friendship is it? |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Sameer on Dec 2nd, 2006, 12:47pm Agreed. If she is a friend, you both are comfortable talking anyways. All you have to do is take her to a special dinner in a quiet restaurant and tell what you think of her and where you want to take your relationship. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by THUDandBLUNDER on Dec 2nd, 2006, 1:36pm on 09/29/06 at 20:39:53, APOPTOSIS wrote:
Lrnu, V erpxba gung'f jung ur'f orra qbvat jebat; ur fubhyq fgbc nfxvat gurz gb fvg ba uvf snpr. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by R0B1N on Dec 2nd, 2006, 10:39pm Well the problem is that she's already committed to some one else ! :'( Anyways who wants to date a guy always talking about space and time complexity :-[ :'( |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by flamingdragon on Dec 2nd, 2006, 11:09pm lol, Mind control. ::) http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=psychology;action=display;num=1100250651 |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on Dec 3rd, 2006, 8:31am on 12/02/06 at 22:39:10, R0B1N wrote:
Unless that someone else is a bastard. Actually, even then, move on, cause there's nothing you can do. Quote:
But that's not your only defining feature is it? Surely there must be more to you. Note, if you pick up a foreign girl that can't understand a word you're saying, she also won't care what you're talking about. So in summary; be yourself, qba'g nfx gurz gb fvg ba lbhe snpr, move on, and use mind control.. Wait.. That doesn't sound right.. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Sameer on Dec 3rd, 2006, 12:53pm yes, if she is committed you really can't do anything. You can either tell her how you feel or don't and move on. Yes and like towr said you cannot be talking about space and time all the time, right? you communicate with your parents, friends, etc and you do talk about something right? simple things like what is going on with each other's lives, or even having a headache can be a good conversation ;) ... the things I have noticed that harder you try the more you babble... that is you act more like someone else.. so in essence if you are yourself then it is easier for others to like you otherwise people are smart enought to recognize you are not genuine... good luck... |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by R0B1N on Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:52pm on 12/03/06 at 12:53:58, Sameer wrote:
Im really finding it difficult to digest this :'( :'( |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by rmsgrey on Dec 4th, 2006, 7:59am on 12/03/06 at 22:52:27, R0B1N wrote:
It's never easy. Either tell her how you feel, or don't. Either move on or wait and see if she ever becomes available. Waiting is a good way to end up being single the rest of your life. Without knowing her, the other guy, or their relationship, we can't tell whether you might have a chance, or are doomed to disappointment, but the odds really are not good. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by flamingdragon on Dec 4th, 2006, 11:16am Of course u could always get a hitman.... |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Three Hands on Dec 5th, 2006, 2:45am One suggestion I've heard is to not fixate on only one person, unless you are actually in a relationship with them. Although it is something that is very easy to do, and probably something that most people do/have done, the theory is that you may well miss out on opportunities to actually find other people you could be happy in a relationship with. With your situation, R0B1N, I'd support towr's advice - move on. That's not to say you can't later explore the possibility of a relationship with her later (at which point, see the suggestion of telling her how you feel), but if she's already spoken for then she's off-limits. If nothing else, think of it this way - how would you feel if you were dating her and she dumped you for one of her friends? If she dumps the guy she's seeing now for you, what does that tell you about how seriously committed she is to her relationships? Even if the relationship is on the rocks, I'd say let it end before getting involved as anything other than a friend. In the end, though, it's a lot easier to talk about/know what to do, and a lot harder to actually do it. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by R0B1N on Dec 5th, 2006, 7:39am well , we know each other since last 4 Years ! But she met the other person just 6 moths ago ! only difference is that he proposed first !! I'm closer to her mor than him i dont know if i can give more details here . coz both of them are members of this site !!! ( But not active members , 0 posts and hardly visits ) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by JiNbOtAk on Feb 7th, 2007, 5:44pm ROB1N, consider yourself lucky, to have known her at all. After all, you could only appreciate true love, once you've been heartbroken. Conclusion : Move on.. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by puzzlecracker on Feb 8th, 2007, 8:53am on 12/05/06 at 07:39:24, R0B1N wrote:
So, what should you do now? You should give her some space. Don't call her more than once or twice a week, and don't see her more than once or twice a week for awhile. Don't pressure her physically, and don't try to push for a relationship. DATE OTHER WOMEN! Get out there and go out with some other women... and when you talk to her don't hide the fact that you're doing it. Be casual about it, but feel free to mention it in conversation once or twice. GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE Don't get hung up, don't obsess about her, and don't make it important to "win her back". Just move on. This combination will give you the greatest chance of winning her back... And the next time you meet a beautiful woman that has an interesting personality, DON'T TURN INTO A PREDICTABLE, BORING, CLINGY, WUSSY! |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by JiNbOtAk on Feb 16th, 2007, 5:50pm Hey, it was never written in life's rule book that you would always get the person that you fall in love with..rite ? Even if you do, there's no guarantee that you'll be happy with him/her, rite ? |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by BiBiBiMan on May 11th, 2007, 8:42am Sergey Brin? :)) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Iceman on May 11th, 2007, 1:44pm on 12/01/06 at 08:02:47, R0B1N wrote:
If you find her attractive, break-up the friendship right away. If she is ugly as sin, break-up the friendship only if she has beautiful money. And finally, if she hasn't got a lot of money, plus she's ugly, don't break-up the friendship. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on May 23rd, 2007, 4:28pm LOL... men... some of you had good ideas... but others had no clue ;D puzzlecracker had some good advice, DON'T be an ass kisser cause most of us find it disgusting, but that doesn't mean you can't be thoughtful and considerate. We read a lot into the little things, so little things like holding the door for her, etc will be noticed and appreciated (if she doesn't say thank you dump her!). If she is already engaged don't be really in-your-face forward because you will really start a mess if you are obvious about it. Just be there as a friend for her and the subtle things you do for her will demonstrate your affections. I can't be specific about a woman I have never met, but if it were me, I would pick the person who was my closest friend because at the end of the day that is what a spouse is. Infatuation fades with time so the most important thing is knowing that 40 or even 50 years down the line you will still have things to talk about and still enjoy eachothers company. I wish you nothing but the best of luck and hope the situation will resolve itself favorably for all involved. Yours, ima1trkpny |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on May 23rd, 2007, 4:31pm And Iceman I resent your comment! :P Not all of us are either unnatractive, money hungery, stupid, or one-dimensional. There are quite a few of us who have brains and diverse interests while balancing that with decent looks and a social life. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Iceman on May 24th, 2007, 10:31am I got a little ice cream for you. How about whipped cream on top? And if your tongue gets stuck, no need to unglue it, baby, no need at all.. Here is a fine line for you, Sergey, it works every time. 8) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on May 24th, 2007, 12:29pm ::) LOL Iceman... that is almost as bad as these two pickup lines... (they dont work ;)) 1) is your name cambells? cause your mmmmm mmm good! 2) do you have a mirror in your pants? cause i can see myself in them. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Iceman on May 24th, 2007, 3:19pm on 05/24/07 at 12:29:54, ima1trkpny wrote:
You must look real good. Do you always walk in an erect state? Is your nick 'homo erectus'? |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on May 24th, 2007, 8:29pm no... just unfortunate enough to know a lot of jerks... but that's life... they will say that stuff to anyone and pray they get lucky. any girl who buys that deserves what she gets >.< |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by JiNbOtAk on May 24th, 2007, 8:54pm Heh, so what is, in your opinion, a good pickup line ? |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by rmsgrey on May 25th, 2007, 6:34am on 05/24/07 at 20:54:50, JiNbOtAk wrote:
And how many people can use it on you before it stops being good? |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on May 25th, 2007, 1:27pm well it kinda depends on what kind of girl you are looking for... are you looking for a serious relationship or a one night stand? if the latter, pickup lines such as the above will probably work just fine in combination with a little alcohol, cause most of the people who would say yes to that aren't to picky and you are telling them right from the get-go what your expectations are. if on the other hand you are looking for a serious relationship, think about what kind of person you are interested in and act accordingly. i dont know exactly what you are looking for (it would help me if you told me what qualities you like...) but pretty much everyone here is intelligent and witty LET THAT SHOW!!! women like someone who is funny and interesting to be around. (hint: if you are looking for a smart one and she doesn't get your jokes... move on... you will frustrate each other because you will have nothing to talk about) and also consider that while some women are extremely confident and blatant, others are more reserved (like myself), so coming up to them with a really sexually suggestive pickup line will make them very uncomfortable and puts a lot of pressure on them creating an unfavorable first impression of "What a creep!" i am not saying don't let them know you find them attractive... every woman likes to feel attractive so just give her a very appreciative, admiring glance (just dont leer)... nothing wrong with that, in fact it you will boost her confidence and make her feel more comfortable. relax, introduce yourself, and maybe ask if she minds you sitting next to her. the worst she can say is no, so what do you have to lose? if she has a date or is expecting friends that is one thing... if she says no just to be mean than she isn't worth talking to so count yourself lucky cause there are plenty more fish in the sea and at least one of them is bound to be someone you can have a nice conversation with or begin a relationship with. as far as pickup lines go... be original... for example... i have a friend named Victoria... and EVERY time we go some place and people find out her name the first thing they ask is "Do you have a secret?" and then grin like they are the first person to ever come up with that... major turn off in her book. my recommendation would be to say something funny about something else (if you can think of something otherwise dont worry about it) as it will be easier for her to discuss something else and get to know you a little bit before you put the pressure on her to talk about herself. if you have any other questions feel free to ask and i will answer them to the best of my ability. i cant guarantee my answers will work for every situation or woman, but i have no problem sharing my experiences or impressions with you of how i as a woman see the situation. ttyl and until next time go get 'em! ;) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on May 27th, 2007, 2:09pm on 05/25/07 at 13:27:42, ima1trkpny wrote:
Or they could say "Gosh, I hope you don't have Victorian morals!". I'm sure given a bit of time I could think of more. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on May 27th, 2007, 2:24pm LOL... I actually haven't heard that one, though it is probably unlikely that they would trip her if they were trying to hit on her successfully. ;) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on May 27th, 2007, 2:29pm on 05/27/07 at 14:24:15, ima1trkpny wrote:
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on May 27th, 2007, 2:32pm :o wow... i am so outmatched with you in making puns... |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Iceman on May 27th, 2007, 2:35pm .............leave ima1trkpny alone. You know that you are a blimp just like me, so there is no need to put a Batman suit on and be somebody you are not. Or are you? 8) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on May 27th, 2007, 2:58pm on 05/27/07 at 14:35:18, Iceman wrote:
Maybe for pun's sake I should say: "I'm adorable, not a dirigible". But I don't think I can rightfully make that claim; and really, it's not something one should claim about oneself in the first place. Quote:
I'm not sure I'd look good in green spandex, though. Come to think of it, batman's suit isn't much better. First underwear, then trousers. How so many superheroes can mess that up is beyond me. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on May 27th, 2007, 2:59pm Hehe... thank you for defending me but I don't mind his comments. Towr has a good sense of humor and his bad (but funny) puns make me laugh (something I desperately need in a crazy life like mine). And at least he didn't compare me to an ancient extinct creature ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_erectus |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by rmsgrey on May 28th, 2007, 5:55am I thought the obvious one for Victoria was to ask her if she were amused... If I thought anyone would get the reference, I might try coming up with something more classically-based - like "Do you like wearing Nike's shoes?" but I'm not sure I relish having to explain that Nike was the Greek goddess of victory, and Victoria was her Roman counterpart who took over her role as part of the wholesale theft of Greek mythology by the Romans - who filed off the serial numbers, changed the names of the deities and claimed it all for themselves... |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on May 28th, 2007, 6:06am http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20070527.gif (http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=833) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on May 28th, 2007, 11:06am actually rmsgrey, she is pretty smart... she likes greek mythology and she's an athelete (a pretty good on too) she may not know what you were talking about if you just said the nike line... but after explaining it she might find you very interesting. ;) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on May 28th, 2007, 11:09am LOL... towr where on earth did you find that?!? i know its hard... that is why i would recommend not trying to be too clever cause you might get a reaction you don't like. walking up and introducing yourself is just fine. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on May 28th, 2007, 11:21am on 05/28/07 at 11:09:41, ima1trkpny wrote:
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on May 28th, 2007, 11:26am wow... that is quite a coincidence (or maybe it was fate 0.0) no offense... but seriously... how many hours do you spend online everyday? |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on May 28th, 2007, 11:30am And considering it, it might not actually be that bad to try and be clever. From the reaction you can quickly gauge if you're at all compatible. For instance, if I where to ask a girl "Miss, could you tell me the meaning of life, the universe and everything?" Then the response "42", as opposed to "Huh?!?", would be a clear marker we have at least something in common. (Well, ok, maybe it's not that clever. But it could be much worse, certainly) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on May 28th, 2007, 11:38am on 05/28/07 at 11:26:47, ima1trkpny wrote:
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on May 28th, 2007, 11:42am LOL... i see your point, but i meant don't try to be clever when you really aren't... something far too many people try to do, it is just another form of pretending to be something you aren't and it becomes very obvious to your audience. as for the universe question i wouldn't exactly consider that a pickup line ;) but who knows... you might also want to consider that a lot of very smart women would be very startled by you just coming up to them and asking them that question and so you are kind setting them up for their brains to fall out their mouths. i remember once i worked in a fast food restaurant for awhile and this guy just out of the blue offered to give me his number... and i seriously stared at him like he was crazy... (i honestly didn't get it!) and then i was like "uh...." and my manager and everyone else in the store had realized what he meant and started laughing their butts off.... i wanted to die |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by JiNbOtAk on May 28th, 2007, 10:10pm on 05/28/07 at 05:55:50, rmsgrey wrote:
Maybe I'm dense, but I don't get this.. ??? |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on May 28th, 2007, 11:26pm on 05/28/07 at 22:10:14, JiNbOtAk wrote:
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by JiNbOtAk on May 29th, 2007, 2:15am Ahhh, how very Victorian of you. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by rmsgrey on May 29th, 2007, 6:36am on 05/28/07 at 11:06:01, ima1trkpny wrote:
Maybe you should introduce us sometime... Though the odds seem to favour her being on the wrong side of the Atlantic... |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on May 29th, 2007, 12:40pm Yeah unfortunately... plus an extra 3 thousand miles... but if you are ever in California who knows? |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by rmsgrey on May 31st, 2007, 5:31pm on 05/29/07 at 12:40:32, ima1trkpny wrote:
I was in California once - something like a 12 hour stopover in LAX - spent most of it dozing in one of the passenger waiting areas... Probably not quite what you had in mind though :P |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by JiNbOtAk on May 31st, 2007, 6:46pm Heh, imagine the possibility rmsgrey !! You could have been with Victoria, lounging in LAX, talking bout Nike.. :P |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on May 31st, 2007, 8:20pm you mean you didn't even go to Disneyland?!? that sucks! everyone has to go to the original Disneyland at least once in their life... your life will never be complete with out it LOL ;) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on May 31st, 2007, 10:27pm Ok... I know this has absolutely nothing to do with this strand... but I think you guys will get a scream out of this... the movie editing by these people is absolutely genius... http://72.41.205.59/brokebackinternet.mov this one is entitled "Brokeback to the Future" enjoy! |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by puzzlecracker on Jun 4th, 2007, 2:43pm When you "ask a woman out on a date", you're basically saying, "Hi, I'm interested in you in a romantic way, and I'd like to buy you some food so you'll think of me as a wonderful provider, and then maybe we can go out on some more dates that I'll pay for and then get into a relationship... if I'm lucky and you'll accept me". Duh. Instead of asking a woman out to lunch tell her, "Hey, I'm going to get a cup of tea. Come along and entertain me. And I don't mean with that usual boring stuff that you talk about." |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on Jun 4th, 2007, 3:30pm If someone said that to me I would reply "Go entertain yourself asshole," and then ignore you. There is a big diffence between not being a suck up and being entirely rude and your last comment probably won't get you to far with anyone worthwhile. Not that all women are just like me but a fair number of women I know are fine paying for their own things or taking turns with you to pick up the bill. Puzzlecracker, do you currently have a girlfriend? cause if not this is probably why. Blunt and discourteous are two different things and while the former is good the latter is unforgiveable considering you live in a world full of people and without curteousy you will cause many problems for yourself and not only with women. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Sameer on Jun 6th, 2007, 1:20pm on 05/29/07 at 12:40:32, ima1trkpny wrote:
Ok I missed something here.. i stay in California.. is there something to get excited about? ;) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on Jun 6th, 2007, 1:29pm We were talking about setting up rmsgrey with my friend Victoria who he seems to have a lot in common with about the whole "nike" thing, etc. But he lives in England so he said we were on the other side of the pond most likely and then I had to rub it in by adding another 3 thousand miles on. ;) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on Jun 12th, 2007, 1:48pm Hehe... I heard another great pick-up line the other day. This one while somewhat cheesy is actually kinda cute in my opinion. ;) Excuse me, do you have a map?... I got lost in your eyes again. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by JiNbOtAk on Jun 12th, 2007, 6:45pm Ughh...cheesy. If you're into cheesy ones, take your pick. 1. (With hands on shoulders) Oh, those are shoulder blades, I thought they were wings. 2. I'm new in town. Could you give me directions to your apartment? 3. Stand still so I can pick you up! 4. [Grab the ass] Pardon me, is this seat taken? 5. Your name must be Mickey because your so fine. My personal favourite : 6. Wow. And one that I wouldn't recommend in any circumstances : 7. Hey...somebody farted. Let's get out of here. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by R0B1N on Jun 12th, 2007, 10:44pm on 06/12/07 at 18:45:39, JiNbOtAk wrote:
ROFL !! LOL ! ;D |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by BNC on Jun 12th, 2007, 10:47pm 1. "Did it hurt?" "What did?" "When you fell from heaven" 2. "Your father must be a gardener" "???" "Because you're a real flower" And one I read about in a local paper -- the guy said it actually work (unlike the otehr ones): 3. "I see something very sad in your eys" Everyone has a sad point. And pointing it out makes you look observant, simpetatic and sensitive. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on Jun 13th, 2007, 12:13am on 06/12/07 at 18:45:39, JiNbOtAk wrote:
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by JiNbOtAk on Jun 13th, 2007, 12:29am on 06/13/07 at 00:13:12, towr wrote:
Heh, never thought of it that way. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on Jun 13th, 2007, 10:38am Yeah... that is kinda the reason I don't recommend trying to come up with some smartass pick up line because there could be some very unexpected implications and reactions. ;) The eyes one was a continuation of my top 3 worst pickup lines from earlier in the thread. 1) is your last name Cambells? cause you mmm mmm good! 2) do you have a mirror in your pants? cause i can see myself in them... and then the eyes one as #3 :P Hehe... but please continue adding more pickup lines you have heard/used... I find them endlessly entertaining. ;D |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by puzzlecracker on Jun 13th, 2007, 3:46pm on 06/13/07 at 00:13:12, towr wrote:
towr, you're such a nerd!!! but i still love you |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Sameer on Jun 13th, 2007, 4:22pm on 06/13/07 at 15:46:00, puzzlecracker wrote:
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ThudanBlunder on Jun 13th, 2007, 5:51pm on 06/13/07 at 10:38:49, ima1trkpny wrote:
Lines? Nah, this (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b69_1180142561) guy has the right idea. :D |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by puzzlecracker on Jun 14th, 2007, 10:52am Well, it is true that women use things like this to test men... but it's ALSO true that women do things like this because they want to AVOID CONFRONTATION. In other words, a woman will sometimes make plans with a guy just to avoid saying "no" in the moment. But later, she'll flake or cancel because "something came up"... when she never intended to show up in the first place. If women are flaking out on you a lot, it's probably something that YOU'RE doing up front. In any case, try this: Next time you're talking to a woman on the phone and making plans to get together for tea say, "Let me ask you a quick question. Do you ever flake out on things?" She'll say, "Not usually" (or some other non- committal thing, most likely). Say, "Good, because it's one of those things that I really can't deal with... people that can't keep their word...and there are a lot of flaky people in this world." That might help. And if she DOES flake at the last minute, don't accept it. If she calls and says, "Oh, something came up..." just answer back, "You know, I was just starting to think you were DIFFERENT from all the flaky women I've met"... Make it clear to women that it is NOT OK to waste your time and they'll waste it less. But, if you act nice and sweet and accommodating... and you transmit the message that it's OK to flake because you're a nice guy and won't care, then it will happen to you all the time |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on Jun 14th, 2007, 11:53am I heartily agree with you on not being a complete rug for a woman to walk all over but once in awhile a real problem comes up so don't assume that your normally dependable girlfriend is flaking on you because one time she calls you saying something came up. I know one time (and I feel so awful about it to this day) I was all set to go on this date with this guy who had taken a lot of time into planning the evening, etc. when I got a phone call telling me a close friend of mine had gotten in a car accident and wanted me (her family was out of town) so I had to call up my date and say I couldn't go. I am pretty sure he thought I was flaking out on him and making it all up. Long story short... he just seemed to lose interest and we never dated again. I regret losing the opportunity to get to know him better but I will never regret being there for my best friend when she needed it. Basically, give a woman a chance! If she is continually flaky then yeah dump her, but sometimes life is just crazy so be reasonable. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Sameer on Jun 15th, 2007, 8:52am If you really know each other you can sure make out the difference between flaking and reality... Even without knowing a person it is not hard to recognize the signs!!! |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on Jun 15th, 2007, 10:10am Yes, Sameer, what I meant was give her a few opportunities to establish a pattern. If she is flaking a lot, dump her, but just one skip out could have very good reasons. Like for me, that was the only time I cancelled a date but he didn't know me all that well yet and took it as if I was blowing him off. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by puzzlecracker on Jun 19th, 2007, 12:42pm Of course women want to be talked to romantically. And, interestingly, I have many quotes from Don Juan DeMarco . What is the difference in the affect? Well, romantic talk makes her feel romantic, and it increases the emotional connection. Two things that "lubricate" the slide to physical expression. (Hey, she wants it just as much as you do, might as well make it as easy and enjoyable for her.) And sexy dirty talk makes that physical expression so much more exciting. Does the style of dirty talk depend on the type of woman? Simple answer: the more intelligent, self assured, and sexual that she is, the dirtier the sexy dirty talk should be, and the more powerfully she will respond. Does it depend more on the mood the couple are in at a particular time? Yes. There is a time and place for everything. As for when the time and place is, use this general rough rule... After a romantic dinner, and while sitting on the couch in the living room, is the perfect time for romantic talk, not dirty talk. While in the bedroom, on the bed, during the actual act of intercourse, when she is about to come, is the perfect time for dirty talk, not romantic talk. In between is the gray area. You move things along progressively. On the couch you say "I feel so close to you" and other such things. Once in the bedroom, you kiss her tenderly and then say "You are so beautiful to me" and then do the "hockey shirt trick" where you pull her shirt over her head and wrap it around her wrists above her and hold her wrists and then press her against the wall and say "that I cannot control my desires for you" and make out hard with her. While doing her doggy on the bed you hold a fistful of her hair and when she calls out "Oh God" you say "You love it when I fvck you like the slvt that you are!" After the orgasms, after catching your breath, hold her close and say "I feel so close to you." For added affect, and appropriately timed humor, say "The most heart felt, genuine talk happens right afterwards. So don't fall asleep on me! Talk to me!" (Sinister snicker.) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ThudanBlunder on Jun 19th, 2007, 1:03pm on 06/19/07 at 12:42:55, puzzlecracker wrote:
Or: the more intelligent, self-assured, well-adjusted, balanced individual she is, the more meaningless the cathartic drivel that you call 'sexy dirty talk' will sound to her. on 06/19/07 at 12:42:55, puzzlecracker wrote:
And please leave her doggy out of this. ::) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on Jun 19th, 2007, 11:14pm Amen ThudanBlunder! Puzzlecracker, I hope one day you fall hard for some woman, try something like that, and she kicks your ass for it. Sure there are plenty of women out there who would think that sort of thing was sexy, but most of them aren't the intelligent type you mentioned. Teasing is fun, but some of your comments and dirty talk are just plain demeaning and for a lot of women that is a repulsive turn off. I can't imagine the desperation required to make you want to put yourself at the mercy of someone who talks to you like you are trash! |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by puzzlecracker on Jun 20th, 2007, 7:24am ima1trkpny, I guess, you are not a very sexual woman, which is totally fine - and thus, I understand why you'd be so defensive. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ThudanBlunder on Jun 20th, 2007, 7:24am on 06/19/07 at 23:14:23, ima1trkpny wrote:
...... and probably indicative of a long-repressed sexuality. A sad case. ::) ;D |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by SMQ on Jun 20th, 2007, 7:51am on 06/20/07 at 07:24:36, puzzlecracker wrote:
Dude: I suspect you're confusing simple honesty with defensiveness. My own experience is not what one would call "vast," I admit, but it sure seems to me that a) different women like different things -- sometimes very different things -- and b) the sooner you learn to listen when a woman tells you honestly what she does or doesn't like, the better you'll get along -- in bed and out. --SMQ |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on Jun 20th, 2007, 8:14am Thank you SMQ, what I meant Puzzlecracker is that to say all women like this is a gross over exaggeration. And in response to your nonsexual comment, no, I am just not a whore... had way to much self-respect to be the locker room trophy in high school. Hell, I would be the first one to tease, etc. but nothing would make me run to the bathroom faster to wash my mouth out and take a shower than being with someone who took joy in calling me a slut, etc. If your woman likes that, fine, more power to you! What you do in the privacy of your own home is up to you but I would recommend finding out whether she actually does like it or not. And something to think about, while I will not say in any way this represents men in general, I have had two friends be nearly killed by their husbands because their husbands viewed them as slutty trash. Both of these girls were pregnant at the time with their first child and one of them was pushed down a flight of stairs and nearly died (thankfully she made it through without any lasting damage and the child survived) while the other one was beaten so severely by her husband when he was in a rage she suffered a disasterous miscarriage leaving her unable to ever have children and with severe back and health problems. The later one's health problems still hinder her from doing a lot of the things she has a passion for or doing them as much as she used to. It is tragic considering this wasn't long before the Sydney Olympics and she had a good chance of making the British national equestrian team and helping revive Britain's once unriveled prowess. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Aurora on Jun 20th, 2007, 8:47am Hang on a minute puzzlecracker, you still havn't answered the lady's question. on 06/04/07 at 15:30:30, ima1trkpny wrote:
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by R0B1N on Jun 20th, 2007, 9:25am Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr This is not much related to Current Discussion But just would like to know whatever they said here is true or not ::) http://www.datingclass.com/talk/index.shtml Edit::Me too , Posted in Wrong Thread |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by puzzlecracker on Jun 20th, 2007, 2:08pm on 06/20/07 at 08:47:31, Aurora wrote:
and if the answer is "yes" what would it explain? Quote:
I said "most" women. Some women are weird, lesbians, sexually unmotivated... |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on Jun 20th, 2007, 3:14pm on 06/20/07 at 14:08:47, puzzlecracker wrote:
j/k ;) Quote:
So ... Women that don't like to be called sluts during sex are weird, lesbian, sexually unmotivated or at the very least a minority? That seems a bit unlikely to me. But what do I know. Besides, it's not easy to do an actual survey on the topic. (I somehow doubt it's something many would admit to even if it were true.) And going on ones' own experience doesn't generally make for a representative sample, because we all have the types we fall for and types that fall for us. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by puzzlecracker on Jun 20th, 2007, 3:39pm I believe a question about a relationship (between a man and woman) was blissfully ignored. First of all, I don't think it's a good idea for a man and woman to have a RELATIONSHIP relationship until after they've known each other for AT LEAST 3-6 months. One of the reasons why a lot of relationships end so BADLY is because the two people didn't take the time to get to know each other first. Also, I think it's a bad idea to talk about other people that you're seeing during that time because almost nothing good can come of it. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by JiNbOtAk on Jun 20th, 2007, 6:23pm Hmm..that seems kinda weird to me. If you only start a relationship after 3-6 months, what do you refer to your 3-6 months period ? Acquaintanceship ? Courtship ? Friendship ? How are these different than a relationship ? By the way puzzlecracker, if you have a girlfriend, do you always 'dirty' sex talk to get what you want ? Cos its kinda hard to imagine a woman accepting that kind of talk day in and day out ( out of pornoland anyway ) ima1trkpny, please send my regards to your friends, and do help them to escape those lunatics. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on Jun 23rd, 2007, 10:16pm *Sorry it took so long for me to reply... I did once but my computer shut off right in the middle of the reply and I had to go somewhere. JiNbOtAk, thanks for the support. I am pleased to inform you that both women are doing well; one juggling supporting and raising a child on her own but loving life, and the other is still having lasting health problems with her back (and probably will the rest of her life) but she is a tough cookie who has been through a lot. The latter one is one of the most courageous and tenacious people I have ever known. Her back may hurt her but she just sucks it up and keeps pushing herself (sometimes too much) to be the best she can be in whatever she does. I intended these two to serve as examples of why the alarm bells go off in the back of my head when a man speaks of me as a slut, etc because neither of these men appreciated the love these women had for them and treated them like that and called them sluts, etc hitting and abusing them when those women just about would have walked on water to make them happy. I don't think most men are that way and I wouldn't instantly give up on someone who said something like that to me but it does make me evaluate things a little more closely and pay attention to other signs that a healthy relationship could not result. I agree with you Puzzlecracker that it is important to get to know someone as a friend first but I don't feel you can really set time limits on it as things develop at different speeds for everyone. Hell... my parents dated for 6 years before getting married and had known each other for awhile before that... you just have to let the relationship progress as it will and not force anything. In my humble opinion, the most important thing is to be good friends because at the end of the day it really comes down to "Can I stand this person?" Infatuation fades as does beauty, so wouldn't you rather pick a partner to grow old with that 30-40+ years later you will still have something to talk about with and enjoy their company just for who they are and not how "hot" they looked in high school? A lot of my close friends growing up had to deal with seperations and divorces caused by this lack of thought and it was heartbreaking to watch the children be torn by their love for their parents who were so busy hating each other they never considered the affects on the child they were using as leverage against the other. Thank God I was lucky... my parents and both sets of grandparents all stayed together because they went into the relationship knowing what they wanted in a lifelong partner. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by puzzlecracker on Jul 2nd, 2007, 11:08am THE VERY CORE OF SOCIAL INTERACTION BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN IS S*XUAL And everybody knows it. But few admit it. Women categorize men. If the woman thinks that he may be a possibility for the relationship category, the woman sees the man as the masculine compliment to her femininity. The man sees the woman as the feminine compliment to his masculinity. And as they enjoy being lovers, they become close friends. I preface the next few paragraphs by saying that I am talking about intelligent women with high self esteem. Women are often heard saying "friends first." They are simply saying that they do not want to be viewed as just a s*x object. They want to be respected as a person, they want to be able to have an emotional relationship as well. And under those conditions, they want to have h0t passionate s*x! They are not really looking for a "friend." They're looking for a lover! A lover with which they can grow to become best friends. And that's perfectly fine. And men need to understand that. And men need to operate within that context. And men can USE THAT! The "friend" thing can be leveraged to bring a woman closer to you emotionally, which can be used to bring a woman closer to you s*xually. But too many men think that in order to get s*xual, they have to avoid the "friend" thing. But that doesn't work on the intelligent high self esteem women. If you want to develop a relationship with a woman, you damn well better respect the fact that she wants to have an emotional relationship (be able to talk to you about her challenges) while at the same time you damn well better be making sure that she sees you as a s*xual interest. Being "friendly"(allowing her to talk about her challenges) does not disqualify you as a lover. Quite the opposite. It makes you more of a possibility - IF - she sees you as a s*xual interest. Deflecting her when she wants to talk about her challenges definitely reduces your chances as her lover, even if she sees you as a s*xual interest. She begins to see that you will not be capable of having an emotional relationship with her. And certainly if you do only the "friend" thing, with no s*xual interest, then you definitely will be put into the "friend" category. And it is near impossible to move from that category. Men need to increase the "s*xual interest" thing while allowing the "friend" thing to develop as an enabler of the s*xual interest. So long as both are true, the relationship will form. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Sameer on Jul 2nd, 2007, 11:48am on 07/02/07 at 11:08:59, puzzlecracker wrote:
Uh What are you talking about? Don't you have good friends that are of opposite sex? If not and you approach opposite sex with only intention of a sexual relationship, your thinking is really screwed up. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ThudanBlunder on Jul 2nd, 2007, 11:50am Puzzlecracker, stop repressing your s*xuality and everything will be just fine. ::) You won't even need to talk dirty with your skank-ass ho's (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=skank+ass+ho%27s). |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by puzzlecracker on Jul 3rd, 2007, 7:36am ThudanBlunder, stop being a wuss and a nice guy; it will lead you to a curious dry feeling between your legs. Otherwise, everything will be just fine. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on Jul 3rd, 2007, 10:27am Perhaps before making all sorts of silly claims about women, or men for that matter, it might be prudent to actually follow a few courses in, or read some research about, gender-studies. There is actual science being done on these matters. If you found your niche market and are happy there, fine; but don't haphazardly generalize it to the whole human race. It is very doubtfull that any one person's experiences scale to that extend. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Janna on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:07pm Just be yourself and be nice to all woman that you meet. Make friends with them first before asking them to have a date with you. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:23pm on 07/03/07 at 10:27:37, towr wrote:
Not a bad idea, but just keep in mind that this can sometimes be a very irrational subject. If you could just apply a magic formula that would take all the fun out of it and make it way too easy. :P Puzzlecracker did get one thing right (or at least partially as he is a little confused on some of it...) but yes, women categorize men. But this is nothing new... it is the old addage about the first impression being the most important. It is however, possible to change the opinion of your interest if you happen to make an unfavorable first impression for sexual relations. (BTW, what is up with the "s*xual"?) Probably a better idea to come short by being polite than going overkill with the sexual implications from the beginning because you are far more likely to put her off that way. (For the most part only the terrifically easy ones would have no problem with your sex first friends, later approach.) If you chase her off entirely you probably won't get a second chance, but if you approach her as "just friends" first, you will have plenty of opportunity to shift her opinion of you. And Sameer had a good point Puzzlecracker... how does your love interest feel about you approaching every woman from a sexual relationship standpoint...? Or do you actually know how to not be an ass? |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on Jul 5th, 2007, 1:42pm on 07/05/07 at 12:23:22, ima1trkpny wrote:
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ThudanBlunder on Jul 5th, 2007, 4:58pm on 07/05/07 at 12:23:22, ima1trkpny wrote:
But why does puzzlecracker have to go skulking around trying to hide his boner and talking dirty to himself while plucking up the courage to risk rejection yet again? Why in these days of supposed sexual equality can't some Mae West approach him? :D |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on Jul 5th, 2007, 5:19pm Well, supposedly he already has a girl friend... or at least that is the way I interpreted his noncommital response. If not, maybe they don't dare approach because they can tell just by looking at him what an attitude he has. I can't speak for every girl, but if some guy really catches my eye and looks like they are interesting to talk to, I do on occasion go break the ice myself. So I would for the most part attribute his any lack of interest to his behavior... as I highly doubt he behaves with any more tact in real life as he does here. ::) If he ever learns... he may just be able to get in a relationship with a real woman and not some tramp. He does have some good points about not being a kissass... but there is a difference between being a kissass and considerate. You don't have to let her trample over you by any means... but for heaven sakes don't slam the door in her face when she is carrying something or the like. It isn't just a "be considerate of women" thing but "be considerate of others" thing. If I see an old man having a hard time breathing, I am seated and there are no other seats, I get my ass up and let him sit down. So I don't really see any reason why for example when a 9mos pregnant woman I knew went to the OB/GYN and the waiting room was full with men and their wives, not a single one got up and offered her a seat... she had to go sit outside in the hall on the floor (a most uncomfortable ordeal for someone that pregnant...) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by puzzlecracker on Jul 11th, 2007, 10:58am Here's something I did with my girlfriend once. On a Sunday afternoon, she and I were sitting near the coffee counter in a book store reading some books. We had been reading our respective books for some time. And then, seemingly for no reason, I put down my book and I looked at her and softly said "I want you so badly right now." She smiled as if to tell me that it excited her that I had to have her so badly. (A happy woman in a good relationship responds very powerfully to this type of thing.) Then she looked around as if to tell me that this was not the time or place for me to act on my desires. I stood up and took her hand and said "Come here." She got up and said "What are you doing?" I didn't answer her but simply led her. I brought her to a distant corner area of the book store between two tall book shelves. Then I pressed her back against the books and said "I have to have you right here right now so badly." She smiled and said "What are you doing?" I started making out with her hard and put my hand on her crotch and then said into her ear "You turn me on so much. You make me so fvcking hot for you. It makes me want to take you right here." Her logical mind was feeling embarrassed that I was rubbing her crotch in a public place, but her sexual mind was responding very powerfully to my words. Her legs pressed together in objection, but her sighs and moans betrayed her surrender to the vulnerabilities of passion. (I should write romance novels.) I continued telling her how much I wanted her and continued to rub her crotch. Then I strategically changed my wording. I started saying "It makes you so horny knowing that I want you so badly. It makes you so fvcking hot right now. You want it so fvcking badly right now. You are being a very naughty little girl right now because you want to get fvcked so fvcking badly." I continued this, about how SHE was so horny, while I continued rubbing her crotch. Then she came. Then I made out with her some more and shared emotional intimacy and told her how sexy she is to me. Then I simply returned her to our table and I went back to reading my book. She read her book but was unable to concentrate. Later we left to go back to my place. On the way home she talked about what happened. I commented about how excited it made me. When we got home, we had hot s.x. Then she went home. That night she almost certainly masturbated to the thought of me fvcking her in a book store. Do you see what I did? I made it HER fantasy. And that can be made reality at any time. And you can be rest assured that she will come, very hard. puzzlecracker! |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by pex on Jul 11th, 2007, 12:13pm Puzzlecracker - what exactly made you think that we wanted to know this? |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on Jul 13th, 2007, 7:06pm Amen pex... your bedroom games are your own business so please keep them that way puzzlecracker. That was no more than locker room bragging... (not something most women find attractive) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on Jul 17th, 2007, 11:42am After puzzlecracker's recent off-kilter post and an episode of blatant plagiarism in another topic, I decided to check out his other "sources." Turns out he simply checks a website for his advice. Warning: Sameer says this may not be office friendly. June 14th (http://www.alovelinksplus.com/advice/fear_of_meeting_in_bars.htm) June 14th, again (http://www.alovelinksplus.com/advice/fear_of_meeting_in_bars.htm) June 19th (http://www.fullcontactdating.com/anticipation-teasing-and-attitude/) As a fellow male, I would say that puzzlecracker is himself exactly the reason why men have such a hard time with women. Guys like him give stupid advice that they pretend has worked in the real world and it causes problems. As to his "love story" or whatever he called it, he's most likely just fantasizing about that as well. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by JiNbOtAk on Jul 17th, 2007, 6:19pm on 07/17/07 at 11:42:58, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot wrote:
Of course it works !! In pornoland anyway.. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on Jul 17th, 2007, 8:31pm Haha... I figured as much... thanks for taking the time to research him WTF! |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Sameer on Jul 17th, 2007, 10:06pm on 07/17/07 at 20:31:04, ima1trkpny wrote:
yea indeed good research... however do post a "warning - not office friendly" :-[ |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:16am Sorry about that Sameer. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Iceman on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:29am on 02/07/05 at 22:42:25, Sergey Brin wrote:
Just because you admit that women are a big problem for you, it doesn't mean that things will get better. So the only thing that happened is that you admitted that you are a loser, and there are a lot of people, especially women, who are not interested in that. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on Jul 18th, 2007, 11:20am on 07/18/07 at 07:29:18, Iceman wrote:
Icey... that was well... cold. :-/ |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Iceman on Jul 18th, 2007, 12:47pm I was just giving him a moral boost in a twisted way, but yes, I am cold as ice, baby. Still, I could use some friction too, so you have a point: it is better to be nice, than to not. :) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:58pm And oh... it gets better and better on the Puzzlecracker thing... the post from June 14th on the "How to start a convo w/ a woman" topic was plagairized too. (From the same site...) You would think he would know better than to try and get away with it long term when he is on a forum full of people who research everything... I guess I found out though how a guy who, less than a year ago, asked "Geeks, chime in with ideas that has been working for you..." suddenly became so "expert" and gained so much "experience"... ::) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by puzzlecracker on Jul 24th, 2007, 8:27am I wasn't a s*xist before I understood women. There was a time when I was blissfully ignorant. I grew up watching Disney cartoons, I believed in romance and "true love conquers all" etc. I wanted to find a woman who could be my equal, my partner. I believed in finding that one true love and being committed to each other forever. You know, like in the marriage vows, "for better or for worse, through sickness and in health, for richer or for poorer" etc. And I believed that women basically wanted the same thing. Now I understand that this was only possible when society was structured to enforce it. Now that women are "liberated" (and thus at the mercy of their own emotions and baser instincts) this is mostly no longer possible in today's society. Victorian society, or many Arab societies, are examples of how society used to be structured to keep women as faithful as possible. I'd like to point out that I am not a misogynist...I love women. But I AM a s*xist, in the sense that I believe women are vastly different than men and, according to the standards that men hold for other men, women are inferior as well. I must be a bitter loser, right? In fact, I enjoy more success with women than most of the men in this city. I have slept with over 200 women in my life. I am sleeping with 5 different women right now. They are all normal, healthy, well-adjusted, good-looking (8+ on the looks scale) professional women. (At least as normal and healthy and well-adjusted as women can be - most women have issues.) But that's not all. I can go out any night of the week and pick up a woman. I can pick her up in front of all her friends (with 80% efficiency for each approach.) Women will slip me their phone number when their boyfriend is in the bathroom. I can talk to women on the street or in the grocery store and within 30 minutes, I can usually have s*x with them right there in my car or get them back to my place. If I have to settle for a phone number, and I meet her on another day, assuming she doesn't flake, I WILL f*ck her that next day. Let me point out right now that my Modus Operandi doesn't change in the slightest if she single or if she has a boyfriend or husband. I just do my normal routine and I f*ck her. Sometimes she brings up the boyfriend so she won't feel guilty when I f*ck her because now it's "my fault." Sometimes she hides it from me until after I've f*cked her, then she admits it. I can't tell you how many times I've been laying next to some chic k, all sweaty cause I just finished busting a nut all over her face or in her mouth or on her back, and suddenly her phone rings and she's on the phone with her man, giving him some bullsh*t story. This is with NO GUILT WHATSOEVER!!! The sweetest most innocent girls you ever laid eyes on, will cheat at the drop of a HAT. The one thing that most men value most - loyalty - is just not there with women. Women don't think in terms of honor, women don't say "word is bond;" women are basically emotionally driven. If they feel it, they do it, period. Then they rationalize it to themselves later. Nothing is more meaningful, or compelling, to a woman than (1) the way she feels and (2) learning more about her own inner self and having emotional realizations. That's why women love astrology, chic k flicks, soap operas, stupid Cosmo quizzes that supposedly reveal info about yourself, etc. I must be really good looking, right? NOPE. My looks are marginal; I'm maybe a 7. I don't work out (though I'm not fat or anything.) In fact I didn't have any success with women until I was in my early 20's. That's when I decided to go out a lot and start trying to get *laid... I was willing to face rejection a thousand times a night, and do it over and over, trying everything, until I got it right. I had to completely set my ego aside. I didn't get laid at all for the first few months. Then every now and then. Then pretty often. Then downright consistently! I'm in my early 30's now and I am basically a s*xual god. I wouldn't have even believed this were possible when I was in high school. The ONLY factor that determined whether a woman would cheat was my own skill level. When my skills were poor, women sh*t all over me. (Everyone knows how women think they have license to be rude b*tches in social situations... in fact I understand and appreciate that behavior now.) But once my skills got good, I could f*ck just about anyone's wife or girlfriend. And many times I didn't know they had a man until after I f*cked them. Look, I'm not saying that men are perfect, or whatever. Far from it. I'm just saying, I've spent a lot of my time studying women and interacting with them, and I know how they are. In fact, sometimes I hate knowing it. Sometimes I wish I had taken the blue pill, and never went down the rabbit ho le, because now there's really no going back. I didn't want to believe these things... but how could I ever get married now? How could I ever be the chump who pays for everything and blissfully goes through life not worrying about his woman because he trusts her? Look, would you leave your dog alone with a steak? You can't hate the dog for doing what's in its nature. You can't trust a dog, BUT you can trust a dog to BE a dog. Some men are disloyal... but I could *never* trust a woman to be loyal. Some men are bad presidents...but I could *never* vote for a woman to be president. I can rarely expect a woman to regard her own promises as more important and compelling to her than the emotions she feels in the moment. She will rationalize it to herself later. Here's an interesting fact. Did you know that the median 22 year old woman has TWICE as much s ex as the median 22 year old man? You might ask, how is that possible? If a woman's having s ex, doesn't that mean a man is having s ex at the same time? And thus, shouldn't men be having just as much s ex as women? NO...because most men hardly get l aid, or if they do, it's because they "got lucky." But a small group of men get l aid ALL THE TIME, and f*ck LOTS AND LOTS of women! It's evolution at work. Women follow their emotions, and that leads them to sleep with men like me (who know how to control female emotions.) Women want the top man...so the top man f*cks lots of women. That's right - the s*xual revolution, feminism, etc has resulted in a return to harems. Women, at the mercy of their own emotions, are volunteering for the modern-day equivalent of harems. Lucky for me!! Heh. You might say, "But...but...I'm so nice! I'm a nice guy!" Guess what? That's like a f at chic k saying, "But I'm so smart!" As if those things have anything in the world to do continue here: http://ladderwiki.com/wiki/Are_You_Beta |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by pex on Jul 24th, 2007, 8:35am Here we go again... This site (http://ladderwiki.com/wiki/Are_You_Beta) calls puzzlecracker's most recent post a part of "a straight-talking post that was controversially posted across half of usenet in 2003". Of course, we do not know for sure whether puzzlecracker is the same person who posted it at the time - we can only make some educated guesses, based on recent experience... Edit: after I posted, puzzlecracker added the same reference to the end of his post, in the middle of a sentence. At least it's better than not mentioning the source at all - though his post is still, at best, useless. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by mikedagr8 on Aug 1st, 2007, 1:53am Quote:
it seems you still are. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by puzzlecracker on Sep 13th, 2007, 2:03pm I haven't posted in awhile. I have been collecting interesting ideas about dating, attraction, sex from a score of gurus in the field of social dynamics. I hope you pardon a mixture of ideas garbled together on various, but related, themes (I don;t have time to organize it). I encourage questions and comments: ---------------------- I took a big gulp of courage and I said "You are so animalistic, just like a horse. Whinny like a horse!" I continued "Oh yeah Baby, make like a horse! You are getting fcked like an animal!" My next girlfriend had no interest in horses, but she did like to be animalistic. I altered what I said to fit the situation. It worked amazingly well. "How do you feel about being dominant? Are you comfortable with that?" The horndog would reply with: "Oh yeah, Baby, I'll give it to you good! I'll give ya something you can ride." Turn off! But the sensual lover would reply: "How do you feel about being submissive? Are you comfortable with surrendering to your strong man?" "What's your favorite position?" The horndog would reply with: "I'd bend you over and give ya the big one Baby." But the sensual lover would reply: "That depends."hen she asks for clarification, he would reply: "There is a time and place for everything. When we are feeling close and sensual, we would enjoy missionary as we gaze deeply into each others eyes. (Gaze deeply into her eyes.) And when 'you feel naughty and horny', it is time for doggy to be ruthlessly expressive." When he spoke, it was with an authoritative tone that said "I know what I'm talking about, and if you truly want to go down the path, I can show you the way" "mmmm baby I love how wet your little pvssy gets for me" Can you look down and see that hard co.ck sliding in your pvssy?" I love her to be my naughty lit.tle girl tonight So hug your inner child and tell him that everything is going to be OK before I verbally abuse him... When you said, "I'm sorry", what she HEARD was "Uh oh, I just screwed up. I'd better say something quick to fix this. I will put aside my own wants and desires, and say whatever you want to hear in hopes that you'll like me and give me attention and approval". f she says something that indicates that she's not happy with you or your behavior, PAUSE. Don't respond. Stay still. Keep the mouth shut and the brain operating. If you have to, run everything through your mental "Wussy Analyzer". Decide if the response you're going to give her is to get her approval, and if it is, STOP. Don't do things that hand over the power in the relationship. Don't let the things a woman says shake you emotionally. "Why do you look so serious, are you trying to scare people away. I know inside of you there's a nice girl that's just dying to come out. Walk over and make fun of her because it's obvious that she didn't have enough money to pay her phone bill and when she tried to call you back she found that her phone was disconnected but that it's nothing to be ashamed of and you'll take pity on her and buy her some ramen noodle soup while she's broke and hungry. "So what do you want to be when you grow up? (you can say this with a smile)" "What are your dreams?" "What is your perfect day?" "If you could go anywhere in the world on a fun vacation for two weeks, where would you go?" REMEMBER, it's very important that you truly listen when she's speaking. Women are all adept at spotting insincerity and incongruence, so silence your mind stare deep into her eyes and digest every word she says. Believe me it will pay you to listen. It can be the hardest and easiest thing to do at the same time. The key to comfort is having both the self confidence and self comfort to be who YOU are. As you let go of fear, people instantly become more comfortable around you because your presence allays rather than enhances their own fears and insecurities. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by puzzlecracker on Sep 13th, 2007, 2:04pm continue from previous post: In fact, if most of us could just get a realistic look at how much we're trying to read women's minds and act in a way that pleases women, we'd BITCH-SLAP ourselves silly and we'd mentally yell to ourselves "HEY, WAKE UP!" So you say, "Hey, do me a favor. I'll let you go in front of me if you order my drink for me. All the bar tenders are guys, and they'll give you more attention than they'll give me, OK? I don't usually use women just for their bodies this early on in the relationship, but in this case I'm going to make an exception". You then say, "But I'm not going to let you pay for it, OK? I don't want you thinking that I'm easy and that I'll give you my number or come home with you just because you paid for my drink." The solution is to use a little technique called behaving AS IF she's single, available, and interesting. You must learn to overcome your initial self- doubt and your doubts about a woman, and behave AS IF every woman you start talking to is SINGLE and AS IF she's going to be THE ONE, MOST INTERESTING AND WONDERFUL WOMAN EVER. aid those words, the more she got turned on. I made her literally "wait" for her orgasm and associated my "come for me now baby... come for me like the real slvt you are" as the command she should come. Now, all I do is just suck on her nipples and when she is aroused, I say the phrase and she immediately orgasms!! She said something about "electricity passing through the body" effect!!! Push her and pull her. Say things to pull her in and let her know you're into her then push her away. She needs and wants to feel the rush of the emotional roller coaster. -"You're amazing! Get away from me." -"You're a smart ass! I love you." -"You're adorable, I bet you're a slob when you eat." In the game of attraction it's always important to be the one wanted and needed. Turn the tables and flip the script. -Let her know you're going to be the one who needs to be bought a drink. -Call her out on being too aggressive. Jokingly tell her you only kiss on the first date because you're tired of being taken advantage of. -Let her know how high maintenance you are. Using this line from your book I say, "Excuse me, I noticed you when I walked in, and I just had to find out what you were like." She says, "Really?" Shocked and flattered. After some small talk I asked if she was seeing anyone. Nope. "Do you have email? Oh, write your number down there too." She does and When you see that girl again, walk up to her and say, "You know, I feel bad about this... but I just can't be with a girl who doesn't even know her own email address". What a woman thinks of you is HER business, not yours. This is the kind of thinking that keeps you from becoming the man that YOU want to be... and keeps you trying to please other people... women in this case. I was standing at the bar trying to order drinks when a girl bumps in to me very slightly. I turn to her and as seriously as I could said, "If you wanted to meet me you could've just said hi, you didn't have to be violent about it..."(Yes I stole it from you - but it was perfect in this situation) At this she started laughing and grabbed my arm and said "oh yes" in a playful sarcastic way. Right then my friend came up (who is a natural with the ladies) and started talking to me, so I ignored her for a bit as she was now sitting next to me. So I turn back to the bar to order my drinks and she says, "Hey you don't want me to have to get violent here now do you?" I look at her and say, "You know I think we got off on the wrong foot, my name is ______, and as soon as you apologize everything will be fine." She couldn't believe it and said, "ME APOLOGIZE?!? You're a cocky feisty one aren't you! I think you should apologize to me!" To which I said, "I wouldn't hold my breath honey." So after about 30 more seconds of chit chat I tell her I have to go meet my friends and I ask for the digits. Well she says, "I don't even know you. We haven't had the chance to talk - I can't just give you my number." So at this point I say, "Well I've got to go and you're right we don't know each other right now and to do that we have to talk more and in the year 2005 we use phones to talk to each other." She comes back and says, "I don't know what type of relationships you've had before..." At which point I stop her dead and say, "Whoa, who said anything about a relationship??? I'm outta here!" So I turn to leave and she grabs me by my arm tells me to wait and gives me her number. then asks me if I was available that night! I say, "No, I'm on my way out of town, but I'll call you." When she was fully nak.ed I threw her on the bed and fingered her deep spot. When I started to go faster I asked if she wanted to come. I asked how badly does she want to come for me. I asked her if she wants me to make her come and she started shouting how badly she wants to come for me. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ThudanBlunder on Sep 13th, 2007, 5:54pm Seems like ima1trkpny is not the only one-trick pony around here. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on Sep 13th, 2007, 6:02pm *considers retrograding peristalsis* How long is it going to take you to figure out that no one here values your opinion on such matters? Worse even, those aren't even YOUR opinions or experiences but (allegedly, assuming they aren't completely fictitious) those of others whom you've not credited once again. (No big suprise there really...) I have to say I truly feel sorry for you :-/ to be so cynical as to think no one could actually love you. Must be an awful feeling... I hope some day you meet someone special, and maybe just maybe you will be man enough to realize that partnership (a symbiotic relationship where you take turns, each having your own specialties, areas of expertise, and times to be in control) is far more enjoyable than having to be in control at all times in order to feel secure. A truly secure person is one who, while they are capable of being in charge of the situation, is comfortable enough in their own abilities to not always need to be bragging and trying to convince others how powerful they are. Maybe one day you will understand this... hopefully it won't be too late. Best of wishes, -1trk |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by JiNbOtAk on Sep 13th, 2007, 7:06pm Wow, you must be a really masterful lover (http://www.fastseduction.com/narchives/masterful_lover/your_most_powerful_tool.shtml). |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on Sep 13th, 2007, 9:32pm on 09/13/07 at 19:06:25, JiNbOtAk wrote:
LOL... amen JiNbOtAk... I didn't even go to the trouble of searching it out... there was no way it could be his original ideas ::) on 09/13/07 at 17:54:19, ThudanBlunder wrote:
And hey... I have many talents... :P My name just happens to be 1trk because I'm a grand prix dressage rider in my spare time. ;D |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by JiNbOtAk on Sep 14th, 2007, 1:11am on 09/13/07 at 21:32:04, ima1trkpny wrote:
And what is that ? ( Seriously, I've never heard of a grand prix dressage rider before ). |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on Sep 14th, 2007, 2:24am I suppose it is more sociable to ask, but nevertheless, there's also wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Prix_Dressage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dressage (The first page is rather sparse on the subject. But grand prix just means "big prize", i.e. competition at the highest level.) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on Sep 14th, 2007, 7:55am on 09/14/07 at 01:11:54, JiNbOtAk wrote:
It is what is left of medieval cavalry training. Now it is a bit more refined then the chaos of battle so it is easiest to think of it like horsey ballet. The whole purpose is to create an athletic horse ready to respond instantly and a harmonious partnership with as nearly invisible communication as possible. I will put in a link later (the computer I am currently on blocks a bunch of stuff) but if you are interested go to youtube.com and search for Helgstrand and Blue Hors Matine... a pretty good example of an Olympic caliber freestyle. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ThudanBlunder on Sep 14th, 2007, 9:17am Is it an an expensive hobby? Is it any different from show-jumping dressage? |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by rmsgrey on Sep 14th, 2007, 1:11pm on 09/13/07 at 19:06:25, JiNbOtAk wrote:
And an elite mate (http://www.elitemate.com/articles/mistakeswhenapproachingwomen.htm) Any other sources? |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on Sep 14th, 2007, 2:30pm on 09/14/07 at 09:17:30, ThudanBlunder wrote:
It tends to be an expensive hobby, but plenty of people do it on a tight budget (including myself). I train my own horse and have been fortunate enough to get to learn and work for some of the best in the business. Another thing that has served me well over the years was that I started out as a child grooming for people... so now when I go showing, when I don't need to be riding, I can work for other people grooming and braiding manes (nothing difficult... but to a lot of the people in the show world it is irritating, so they have no problem paying me for it) and I can generally make at least enough to cover my showing expenses. I am plenty qualified to be a professional trainer, but I never wanted it to be a business for me... can't stand some of the ethics (or lack thereof) some people demonstrate in order to get a 39cent piece of ribbon. So I have a day job and can then afford to be choosy about who I teach. (Sorry, that was probably way more info than you wanted... :P ) But yes, it is entirely possible to do very well even on a budget if you are willing to put in the elbow grease. And men tend to be very very good(probably has to do with the fact that your anatomy makes it impossible to get away with sitting incorrectly)... so if any of you guys ever take up an interest let me know and I will set you up with someone. We always need more men in the sport! ;D This (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ym1k9Qkt2H4) is showjumping. (Only the first 1:30 is footage... after that it is just continued music from the probably inexperienced movie editor) Generally in some sort of arena with fences that come down if you knock into them, like poles, etc. The other type of jumping is cross country (http://youtube.com/watch?v=8q01gAZRqpw), which is hands down the most dangerous (but also the most fun) due to it being tremendously long with solid fences that will break you instead of breaking when you occasionally collide with them (and the only one Britain can still keep up with the U.S. and Germany in... :P rather unfortunate from a country that used to right at the top). Dressage is sort of the "college" of riding, it is about the perfection of communication and is probably the most mentally demanding of the horse in the sense of being taught what every little movement of the rider's body is supposed to mean. Here (http://youtube.com/watch?v=zKQgTiqhPbw) is the promised Dressage freestyle. The music is pretty good (though unfortunately dressage tends to be a little stuck up and generally have very boring music >.< )and besides a few awkward transitions due to some inexperience... very good. One of these days I'll get some of mine up on youtube. I apoligize in advance as I probably just gave you way more information than you wanted... but that is what tends to happen when people get me talking about my favorite past time ;D Hope you maybe enjoyed a little bit of it. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ThudanBlunder on Sep 14th, 2007, 3:31pm Thank you for your fulsome reply, iama1trkpny. It must be great having such a close relationship with the horses. But you cannot be unaware that show-jumping also has a dressage element; at least it does in the Olympics. Do you guys look down on the show-jumping guys when it comes to dressage? :P |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on Sep 14th, 2007, 3:54pm on 09/14/07 at 15:31:37, ThudanBlunder wrote:
As far as I know (and I just researched) there is no Dressage phase in Show Jumping. Combined Training (or Eventing as it is also called) the Burghley horse trials is one example. Is the "horse triathlon", one phase dressage, one phase cross country, and one final phase of show jumping. And yes, as a general rule the dressage world is irritatingly elitest... it is my specialty 1)because I'm good at it and 2) because of the relative scarcity of cross country courses in the immediate vicinity. I don't look down on 3-day eventers... in fact they are some of my favorite horse people because they have such a no bullsh*t attitude as opposed to the finicky dressage people who think they are going to die if they leave an arena. I do feel though that they often do only what is the minimum required to be able to make it through the phase so they can get on to the more fun stuff like xcountry, thus the reason when I do event I very rarely lose... they can't catch me after the Dressage because I spend so much time on it. The level of dressage in eventing is also much lower. Just like in human triathlons, the athletes are all-arounders so they aren't expected to be as good in individual discipline as someone who specializes. But any really good rider (which pretty much everyone at the Olympics or upper levels is) will be quite proficient at the dressage basics, because as I said it is the foundation of riding. "Only a pair that works well on the ground will work well above it." *shakes head* What a bizarre topic leap... ;D |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ThudanBlunder on Sep 14th, 2007, 4:05pm on 09/14/07 at 15:54:10, ima1trkpny wrote:
Reminds me of the fox-and-hounds brigade over here. Besides being elitist, they believe they have a God-given right to hunt animals to death in the name of 'sport'. Likewise for the Spaniards who love bull 'fighting'. And the people who shoot defenceless birds for dinner would probably drop their guns and run for their worthless lives if confronted by a man-eater on safari. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on Sep 14th, 2007, 4:18pm on 09/14/07 at 16:05:09, ThudanBlunder wrote:
Yeah... it is commonly said in the Dressage world that a Dressage rider would rather let you sleep with their husband than ride their horse. These same people also often put crystals in their horses water buckets to "balance their energy" and a whole bunch of other crap... What gets me is the hypocracy... this is what is left of BATTLE TRAINING... i.e. the horse shouldn't be flipping out about a crowd or something floating past on the breeze and the rider should be able to control their mount, unlike a particularly nasty "Queen of the Kur" who quite literally began trying to run her horse into people in an effort to stop him when he took off with her at the World Equestrian Games. But then what do I know... I only did the half-time show at my high school homecoming game with my first horse with fireworks, capes, and the whole nine-yards. But then again there are some really really wonderful people mixed in (some of whom I was fortunate to come across... my mentor/honorary other mother included... who are generous of their time and experience in teaching others. I remember once at a show, there was a girl who was maybe all of 8 and she was just standing by the side of the warm up area drooling over the horses. I couldn't stop thinking about how much she reminded me of how I used to act when I was the little kid wanting to ride. So I asked if she would like to sit on my GP horse and maybe walk around a bit... you should have seen the look on her face... she looked like I was offering her the world. I don't think I have ever seen someone look so happy. The stuck up nature of some of the dressage world is probably what irritates me the most, these are horses, not china dolls. Yes, you need to be careful because they are accident prone but that doesn't mean you have to be a b*tch about it and treat the volunteers who make the shows run and the spectators (the life blood of the sport) like they are worthless. Eventers are great. They have that "never say 'die'!" attitude and are really fabulous horsemen in the care of their mounts. I will admit they are slightly crazy though ;D nobody in their right mind would gallop up to some of those fences with out at least a bit of apprehension. I've never participated in a hunt. Over here the most you get is a mock or drag hunt assuming you have the room. The East Coast has some, but they are all non-kill hunts. Admittedly, I'm not a veggie (and don't plan on becoming one... God gave me these k-9s for a reason...) but I agree in that I don't like drawing it out. If you are going to kill something for food, do it, don't scare the living daylights out of it first. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by mikedagr8 on Sep 15th, 2007, 1:16am Quote:
Which is why when I go fishing, I kill the fish in the most humane way I know. I stab it in the brain, and it dies instantly. Then I carve it up and eat on the fire. Mmmm, beach fired fish. ;D |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on Oct 1st, 2007, 1:28am on 09/15/07 at 01:16:03, mikedagr8 wrote:
Mmmmm... fish sounds good. Unfortunately I can't eat it :'( (allergic) *sighs* rather unfair really... But anyway, man we really got off topic on this thread... :-/sorry if I made a tad of a mess :-[ |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by SMQ on Oct 1st, 2007, 5:42am on 10/01/07 at 01:28:31, ima1trkpny wrote:
Well, we always have puzzlecracker to keep us on topic. ::) ;D --SMQ |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by puzzlecracker on May 4th, 2008, 10:36am This infamous post appeared on the craigslist awhile back. NYC style gold diggers ---------------------------- ORIGINAL INQUIRY THIS APPEARED ON CRAIG'S LIST What am I doing wrong? Okay, I'm tired of beating around the bush. I'm a beautiful (spectacularly beautiful) 25 year old girl. I'm articulate and classy. I'm not from New York . I'm looking to get married to a guy who makes at least half a million a year. I know how that sounds, but keep in mind that a million a year is middle class in New York City , so I don't think I'm overreaching at all. Are there any guys who make 500K or more on this board? Any wives? Could you send me some tips? I dated a business man who makes average around 200 - 250. But that's where I seem to hit a roadblock. 250,000 won't get me to central park west. I know a woman in my yoga class who was married to an investment banker and lives in Tribeca, and she's not as pretty as I am, nor is she a great genius. So what is she doing right? How do I get to her level? Here are my questions specifically: - Where do you single rich men hang out? Give me specifics- bars, restaurants, gyms -What are you looking for in a mate? Be honest guys, you won't hurt my feelings -Is there an age range I should be targeting (I'm 25)? - Why are some of the women living lavish lifestyles on the upper east side so plain? I've seen really 'plain jane' boring types who have nothing to offer married to incredibly wealthy guys. I've seen drop dead gorgeous girls in singles bars in the east village. What's the story there? - Jobs I should look out for? Everyone knows - lawyer, investment banker, doctor. How much do those guys really make? And where do they hang out? Where do the hedge fund guys hang out? - How you decide marriage vs. just a girlfriend? I am looking for MARRIAGE ONLY Please hold your insults - I'm putting myself out there in an honest way. Most beautiful women are superficial; at least I'm being up front about it. I wouldn't be searching for these kind of guys if I wasn't able to match them - in looks, culture, sophistication, and keeping a nice home and hearth. THE ANSWER Dear Pers-431649184: I read your posting with great interest and have thought meaningfully about your dilemma. I offer the following analysis of your predicament. Firstly, I'm not wasting your time, I qualify as a guy who fits your bill; that is I make more than $500K per year. That said here's how I see it. Your offer, from the prospective of a guy like me, is plain and simple a cr@ppy business deal. Here's why. Cutting through all the B.S., what you suggest is a simple trade: you bring your looks to the party and I bring my money. Fine, simple. But here's the rub, your looks will fade and my money will likely continue into perpetuity...in fact, it is very likely that my income increases but it is an absolute certainty that you won't be getting any more beautiful! So, in economic terms you are a depreciating asset and I am an earning asset. Not only are you a depreciating asset, your depreciation accelerates! Let me explain, you're 25 now and will likely stay pretty hot for the next 5 years, but less so each year. Then the fade begins in earnest. By 35 stick a fork in you! So in Wall Street terms, we would call you a trading position, not a buy and hold...hence the rub...marriage. It doesn't make good business sense to "buy you" (which is what you're asking) so I'd rather lease. In case you think I'm being cruel, I would say the following. If my money were to go away, so would you, so when your beauty fades I need an out. It's as simple as that. So a deal that makes sense is dating, not marriage. Separately, I was taught early in my career about efficient markets. So, I wonder why a girl as "articulate, classy and spectacularly beautiful" as you has been unable to find your sugar daddy. I find it hard to believe that if you are as gorgeous as you say you are that the $500K hasn't found you, if not only for a tryout. By the way, you could always find a way to make your own money and then we wouldn't need to have this difficult conversation. With all that said, I must say you're going about it the right way. Classic "pump and dump." I hope this is helpful, and if you want to enter into some sort of lease, let me know. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ThudanBlunder on May 28th, 2008, 8:24pm on 12/03/06 at 08:31:19, towr wrote:
V erzrzore na vagreivrj jvgu gung jryy-xabja Oevgvfu uryy-envfre, Byvire Errq. Ur jnf nfxrq nobhg Xrvgu Zbba, sbezreyl qehzzre sbe Gur Jub naq nabgure crefba lbh jbhyqa'g jnag ba lbhe Puevfgznf pneq yvfg. Ur fnvq, "V'yy gryy lbh nobhg Xrvgu Zbba....bapr V tbg n cubar pnyy sebz uvz va gur zvqqyr bs gur avtug. V urneq guvf zhssyrq ibvpr fnlvat, 'Trg lbhe nefr bire urer!' Guvaxvat ur jnf gnyxvat gb zr, V qnfurq ebhaq gb Xrvgu'f cynpr bayl gb svaq uvz ylvat ba gur sybbe jvgu n Fjrqvfu zbqry fvggvat ba uvf snpr!" LOL |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Jigsaw on Jun 21st, 2008, 10:21pm Found this link (http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19826614.100-bad-guys-really-do-get-the-most-girls.html?DCMP=ILC-hmts&nsref=news4_head_mg19826614.100) in an article in slashdot and thought it'd be relevant to this topic. ::) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ThudanBlunder on Jul 2nd, 2008, 12:11pm on 02/07/05 at 22:42:25, Sergey Brin wrote:
You mustn't forget that when all is said and done, at the end of the day one in the bush is worth two in the hand. ;D |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by BenVitale on Jul 8th, 2008, 12:10pm Message to Sergey Brin Quote:
Be curious. Women love to talk. Develop the art of curiosity. So, ask good questions, and they'll open up. I don't mean deep intellectual questions. I mean ask questions about the things they're interested in. Fake sincerity if you have to. I learnt that from 2 sources: (1) A used-car salesman who once told me : "Fake it until you make it" (2) A laughter yoga guru: it's laughing for no reason at all. The mind cannot tell a pretend laughter from a genuine laughter. And it produces the same benefits. Be able to laugh at yourself in conversation with women. Women love a guy who can tease himself and doesn’t himself and life too seriously. There are lots of guys out there who take themselves too seriously. It's an EGO trip. They come across as boring. They walk around as if their sh*ts doesn't stink. But it does stink. Big Time. And, listen. Don't talk at all. Let them do all the talking. If you are a good listener,you'll come across as a good conversationalist. Let them shine, let them be the center of stage. And, if she is hot and you want to have sex with her, then laugh at her jokes. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on Jul 8th, 2008, 12:56pm on 07/08/08 at 12:10:20, BenVitale wrote:
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by BenVitale on Jul 8th, 2008, 3:56pm Oh, I wasted a post. It's just the previous post made by ThudanBlunder mentioned Sergey Brin's message. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ThudanBlunder on Jul 8th, 2008, 4:12pm on 07/08/08 at 15:56:21, BenVitale wrote:
Yeah, but I made my post because he has not been around for more than three years. LOL |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by puzzlecracker on Jul 23rd, 2008, 8:22pm on 07/08/08 at 12:56:35, tow"r wrote:
You never know... After all, he got married not so long ago, I assume our posts helped: http://valleywag.com/tech/wedding-announcements/sergey-brin-and-anne-wojcicki-260039.php On the other hand, three and a half years, wow -- time passed by really quickly -- at the time, I was looking for my first full-time job..... I am starting to think that death is a corner away... and embrace it... Do you guys have that? and all of you, go solve my graph problem in cs section. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by BenVitale on Jul 25th, 2008, 12:24pm I wonder whether or not any of you have tried/experimented with mathematical models when seeking a relationship with the opposite sex? |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by pex on Jul 25th, 2008, 12:57pm on 07/25/08 at 12:24:35, BenVitale wrote:
No - and I don't think it would work. Do you believe that love is something that should be approached rationally? * tries very hard to avoid bad "model" pun * |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on Jul 25th, 2008, 3:11pm on 07/25/08 at 12:57:27, pex wrote:
on 07/25/08 at 12:24:35, BenVitale wrote:
Of course, you have to wonder what kind of relation we'd have; it might lack symmetry and not be an equivalence relation; it might even lack reflexivity and just be transitive. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by pex on Jul 25th, 2008, 3:26pm on 07/25/08 at 15:11:51, towr wrote:
You probably know this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BipvGD-LCjU), but anyway... |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by BenVitale on Jul 25th, 2008, 3:40pm How about Mathematics, marriage and finding somewhere to eat http://plus.maths.org/issue3/marriage/index.html Optimal stopping http://plus.maths.org/issue3/puzzle/stopping/index.html I've just discovered this article, and I'm reading it now. What do you guys think of this? |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ThudanBlunder on Jul 25th, 2008, 4:03pm on 07/25/08 at 15:40:02, BenVitale wrote:
Same as we thought every time it has been on the sit. :P |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on Jul 26th, 2008, 8:26am on 07/25/08 at 15:40:02, BenVitale wrote:
For one thing, most of the time, your future partner has to choose you as well. So in fact you should not try to find the best partner overall, but the best one that'll settle for you. Another thing is that reality partner choice is rarely a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity; people don't drop off the face of the earth while you talk to someone else in the room. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by BenVitale on Jul 26th, 2008, 1:46pm I see your point. Let's observe the dating game: You could either choose someone too early, thus making a decision without checking other options, or run the risk of waiting too long, thus decreasing the pool, end up with fewer candidates. Both strategies are risky. I thought the optimal stopping time could help us devise a better strategy. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by BenVitale on Aug 6th, 2008, 11:48am I'm still curious about finding mathematical models for love, relationships. I found the following that I want to share with you: The economics of love: While the study of economics may not be warm and fuzzy, its lessons just might apply to love. 8 things to keep in mind to reduce risk in your romantic investment - Returns in love are roughly proportional to the amount of time and devotion invested. - High-quality bonds consistently yield more return than junk -- and so it is with high-quality love. - Research pays off. - In every long-term romantic situation, returns are greater when there is a monopoly. - The returns on your investment should at least equal the cost of the investment. - Long-term investment pays off. - Realistic expectations are everything. - When you have a winner, stick with your winner. To summarize: Go for high quality -- and if you find yourself with a winner, stick with it. Or as Stein puts it, "They say that falling in love is wonderful, and that the best is falling in love with what you have." Read Ben Stein's full article here. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/13/business/13every.html?em&ex=1216180800&en=313397ee5ad38176&ei=5087%0A |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on Aug 6th, 2008, 12:25pm Has he done any research to back up those platitudes? And its a bit selective isn't it. I mean, with stocks the motto is diversify to spread you risk; don't bet it all on one horse. And while returns are best when you have a monopoly, returns are also better if you have more than one customer. Applying economics to love is lunacy. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Noke Lieu on Aug 6th, 2008, 5:50pm that being said, there is the famous likening of sex to banking- After withdrawl, you lose interest. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by puzzlecracker on Sep 30th, 2008, 6:29pm Guy's have anyone thought/knowof the fate of original poster, Sergey Brin? Is he married, single, dead, etc.? He asked the question on Feb 7, 2005...and no one heard from him ever since.... |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by 1337b4k4 on Oct 8th, 2008, 5:46pm Theres no way that guy was actually Sergey Brin, was it? |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on Oct 9th, 2008, 12:36am About a one in six billion chance, I'd say. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Grimbal on Oct 9th, 2008, 9:58am That one, it would be one in 10100. ;) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by puzzlecracker on Mar 23rd, 2009, 2:42pm Hey team, For awhile now, we haven't touched the subject on how to improve a skill of attracting the opposite sex. Let's resume it.... I will soon post an absolutely necessary material to become better with women, and, pretty much guarantee hooking up as soon as you deem necessary --- you hear me correctly, men, it will be YOU in charge when and how you want to hook up, same applies of the opposite sex....stay tuned! |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on Mar 23rd, 2009, 3:12pm Any person that had the ultimate skill in attracting a mate would have better things to do at night than share this secret. ::) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by rmsgrey on Mar 24th, 2009, 7:31am on 03/23/09 at 15:12:15, towr wrote:
Unless that's one of the steps... You too can attract your perfect mate. I didn't think it was possible until it happened to me. Remember, friend, you must pass this message on. Moe in Springfield didn't pass it on, and all his relationships failed. Homer passed the message on and has been happily married for thirty years. Just send $1 to Sorry Dude, 742 Evergreen Terrace. Sorry, got a little mixed up there :P |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on Mar 24th, 2009, 7:57am A pyramid scheme might work better if you asked them to send their sisters, instead of a dollar. ::) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by rmsgrey on Mar 24th, 2009, 8:02am on 03/24/09 at 07:57:26, towr wrote:
Like I said, I got a little mixed up :P Besides, any guy with a sister worth getting and enough influence over her to give her away is unlikely to need help getting a replacement model... |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by BenVitale on May 15th, 2009, 5:09pm I've just discovered "Love Economics"- a new love theory to promote intelligent dating by explaining love using simple math equations http://www.solvedating.com/love-economics.html |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on May 16th, 2009, 3:03am on 05/15/09 at 17:09:55, BenVitale wrote:
And they don't even tell you how to measure the variables used in their equations. It's as retarded as saying that the number of aliens in the universe is the number of planets times the average number of aliens per planet. (I'm not going through the entire retarded Drake equation.) It's meaningless dribble if you have no way to measure or accurately estimate the variables. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by swanajohn on May 21st, 2009, 11:34pm on 05/16/09 at 03:03:28, towr wrote:
Being a girl i agree with you. // removed spam link --towr |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by BenVitale on Jun 15th, 2009, 3:14pm I would like to hear comments from the women. There's a question that a lot of women want to know the answer to: What’s wrong with men? So, ladies, what do you think is wrong with men? [By the way, I'm a male.] |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on Jun 16th, 2009, 12:38am on 06/15/09 at 15:14:57, BenVitale wrote:
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on Jun 16th, 2009, 1:18am on 06/16/09 at 00:38:31, towr wrote:
Yes, but the few of us that are have you all to ourselves... ;) on 06/15/09 at 15:14:57, BenVitale wrote:
Well, I'll keep this brief since I've made quite a few comments on this thread. There's nothing wrong with men... just very different. Men tend to be a bit less dramatic, which is probably the reason I find them easier to be around at times. However, I know you are a little more interested in the dating aspect of male-female relationships. In my own experience, I've typically found two categories of guys (and each guy can be to a greater or lesser degree) of either total jerks who only want into a woman's pants, or the super sweet type who maybe smart and in all other ways perfect but a total pushover. *bangs head into wall* The later of the two problems seems to be the one guys just don't understand when you explain to them why you're not interested... but the best I can explain is this: yes, we want a man who's considerate, smart, and can hold up an intelligent conversation, but it's nice to have someone who can challenge you to be a better person too... I can't put into words how boring/frustrating it is when a guy is so enamored he'd rather give in than have a good, heated debate and risk upsetting me. So for the reader's digest version of my opinion: smart, respectful, and loyal are great but if you've got the added little bit of fight/sassiness to keep it interesting... now THAT is sexy. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by BenVitale on Jun 16th, 2009, 11:15am ima1trkpny, Thanks for your input. True, I'm interested in the dynamics of dating. I've read what economists are saying about dating. I wish I had more time to look at their math/economics models. I'm not looking at Standard economics models, but rather at behavioral economics models. If you are interested, then read Predictably Irrational | Dan Ariely (http://www.predictablyirrational.com/) And, An Economist Goes to a Bar And solves the mysteries of dating (http://www.slate.com/id/2177637/) Quote:
Men have been designed and socially trained to be less sensitive and emotional ... They react to situations differently than women do... They don’t care any less, they just react / express themselves less and respond less. Quote:
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by BenVitale on Jun 16th, 2009, 2:52pm Has anyone watched or read "A Beautiful Mind"? Watch a scene from the movie "A Beautiful Mind" : Nash's Equilibrium (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bI_7_abwfI) on YouTube I got interested in the applications of Game theory to dating and in other areas after I saw that movie. Nash showed that markets work because of price signals -- something that is lacking in dating. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Grimbal on Jun 17th, 2009, 6:23am on 06/16/09 at 14:52:06, BenVitale wrote:
Oh yes, it does. If you are trying to date a woman and she is undecided, and in an effort to convince her you offer $10 if she goes out with you, you are sure to change her opinion of you radically. ;D |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by BenVitale on Jun 17th, 2009, 12:03pm on 06/17/09 at 06:23:15, Grimbal wrote:
Hehe! That reminds me of the movie "Indecent Proposal", which represents a version of the Ultimate Game. Let's go back to the bar scene as described in the movie "A Beautiful Mind". How would you play this game? The problem : You and 3 male buddies are at a bar trying to pick up women. You see a group of women: one blonde and four brunettes. What’s the individual strategy? Rules : Each of you wants to talk to the blonde. If more than one of you tries to talk to her, however, she will be put off and talk to no one. At that point it will also be too late to talk to a brunette, as no one likes being second choice. Assume anyone who starts out talking to a brunette will succeed. And, suppose you cannot separate the blonde from the "herd" Do you adopt a "wait and see” strategy? Do you decrease your expectations and replace them with a more of a wait and see approach? Would you ignore the current group and wait for another group of women? Would you pick a group member at random to go for the blonde? Do you have a wingman? Or, do you play the role of a wingman? Quote:
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on Jun 17th, 2009, 1:27pm Obviously I'd invent game theory at the spot and run out of the bar to my apartment to write it down. ::) I'm really not particular about blonds though, I like brunette just as well, or any color. I mean, I like anime; so really, any color, green, blue, red, purple, white, pink, anything; as long as it fits the rest of the image. (Which, granted, is a much stricter constraint in reality. A good die-job is hard enough in itself; and even if it doesn't go awry there, most people don't have the sense to pick a color that suits them.) But back to the question. Realistically, I'd wait and see, and be all shy and bashful, probably. A more clever approach might be to convince my friends to go for the brunettes, by explaining how none of them will get a girl if they all go for the blond. (Which I think Nash does, but without taking the opportunity to 'defect'). I suppose there is also the option of trying to chat up two brunettes, that's got to be better than one blond ;) And then there's the option of doing a round of speed dating (which bypasses the 'second-choice' problem by changing the rules of the game). |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by BenVitale on Jun 17th, 2009, 2:09pm I've just watched a video on YouTube: The Logic of Life: How economics can get you a date (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpU9XrQqYzc) Tim Harford, author of "The Logic of Life" and "The Undercover Economist", explains the economics of speed-dating, and asks, "are the romantics right about love, or are the economists right?" Personally, I like all women. I mean I don't have a fixation for blondes or brunettes. In the movie Russell Crowe suggests that the group should cooperate. If everyone goes for the blonde, that would be self-defeating, because they'd block each other and no one wins. It's a no-win situation. But the movie fails to show that in real life, people do not cooperate easily, it doesn't show the non-cooperative feature of game theory. How to achieve, in real life, equilibrium? If you can convince your friends to go for the brunettes. Then it would be a 'win-win' situation for everybody ... but soon enough, your buddies will clearly realize that your sound advice is a trick to leave the blonde for yourself. They may undermine your efforts as in the Ultimate game. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on Jun 17th, 2009, 3:29pm on 06/17/09 at 14:09:48, BenVitale wrote:
For example, he mention that women are pickier than men in speed dating; but it has been shown that this is at least in part a result of the fact that typically the women are sitting, and the men move around. If you reverse that aspect of the setup, women suddenly become less picky, and men moreso. More in line with the actual topic, I have to question taking people's self-reported preference as a given. A girl might say she prefer tall dark billionaires, but that's not necessarily true. How different was the "quality" of the two groups of speed daters? And is speed dating a good measure anyway? That you wouldn't mind seeing 10% of the dating pool for a real date, doesn't mean you are equally likely to end up in a relationship with any of them. Quote:
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by BenVitale on Jun 17th, 2009, 8:58pm The author (Tim Harford) also said: "Generally, tall men get asked out on more dates than short men. But if you go to a speed-dating night, and it just so happens that there aren't as many tall guys, the women don't ask for fewer dates; they just lower their standards. It depends on availability. So if you're going out, it makes sense to go out with short, ugly friends, because your chances will improve." Romantics are too idealistic, they aren't rational enough ... and economists see the world differently ... there are those who follow 'Standard economics' models and those who are behavioral economists. These represent the two extremes. The rest of us lay somewhere between these 2 poles ... we don't consciously calculate costs and benefits, but we unconsciously think like economists. Quote:
Yes, I agree. I was referring to dating women. When it comes to finding, pursuing a female, there's less cooperation. Many men do put their own needs first. It is a survival instinct. Even though we (men) can be sort of selfish, we can change. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on Jun 18th, 2009, 1:22am on 06/17/09 at 20:58:00, BenVitale wrote:
And even if you took a testdrive out of morbid curiosity, it doesn't mean you'd buy it. Quote:
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Economists can't explain things like attachment, how when you've chosen for something you tend to stick with it even if something (someone) better comes along. People aren't constantly trading up in relationships, which you'd have to expect based on economic models. (It does occur occasionally, of course, but it's rare.) People aren't rational agents, they're biological agents. Quote:
Why should there be more cooperation? You don't need cooperation to eat dinner or go to the bathroom; not every situation needs cooperation. I really don't think there is such a fierce competition for women. The number of women in the world is roughly equal to the number of men. And all people have slightly different preferences, and run in different social circles; and the latter is a much better predictor for who you will become involved with than any rational considerations. And I really don't think it's obvious that speed dating is a good model for mate selection. How many speed daters end up in a lasting relationship? And how does that compare to dates you get through work or friends? I'm willing to bet speed dating is a much, much, lower success ratio. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by BenVitale on Jun 18th, 2009, 11:57pm Towr, thanks for your input. I only recently discovered Tim Harford ... and before him, I discovered "Freakonomics" which I haven't finished reading ... I'm reading slowly because I'm enjoying it, I'm savoring it. I cannot say how much I agree with the author, but, generally speaking, I enjoy reading behavorial economics. Tim Harford's Logic of Life, Dan Ariely's Predictably Irrational and Freakonomics are hilarious, thought-provoking ... these book offer an entertaining and provocative look at the logic behind the seemingly irrational. In his book, Tim Harford, states that life looks illogical, but underneath it all there is a hidden logic. It isn’t always pretty, but it’s there for you to see it. He utilized John von Neumann and Thomas Schelling's conceptions of game theory, Harford applies their approach to a multitude of arenas, including marriage, the workplace and racism, poker players in Las Vegas, violent spouses, alcoholics, and school bullies. I'm gonna share the following videos ... and I hope you'll enjoy watching them, and hope that this will generate more discussions I'm gonna post the videos later, as I had a problem posting them |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on Jun 19th, 2009, 12:29am on 06/18/09 at 23:57:45, BenVitale wrote:
Evolution doesn't deal in logic, it deals in whatever survives to future generations. That does cause many behaviours to emerge that make sense, of course, but also many behaviours that really don't. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by Grimbal on Jun 28th, 2009, 12:16pm on 06/17/09 at 14:09:48, BenVitale wrote:
http://xkcd.com/182/ |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ima1trkpny on Jun 29th, 2009, 9:45am on 06/28/09 at 12:16:31, Grimbal wrote:
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by BenVitale on Jun 29th, 2009, 11:53am on 06/28/09 at 12:16:31, Grimbal wrote:
That's very cute ... good humor! If Nash go for the blonde while his buddies go for the brunettes, this could be a Nash equilibrium (NE), depending on the payoffs. But we don't know them There could be more than one NE Suppose you go to a bar with n friends. Each of the players can either go for the blonde or do nothing. How would you advise your buddies in the bar? How your matrix of payoffs would look like? |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by BenVitale on Jul 6th, 2009, 8:59pm Please read the following article that appeared in the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/11/business/economic-scene-you-ve-seen-movie-now-just-exactly-what-was-it-that-john-nash-had.html) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by BenVitale on Jul 9th, 2009, 10:44am Nash is being tricky ... he wanted his buddies to go for the brunettes, so he could have the blonde and win the game. If Nash were to go for the blonde himself, however, while his friends went for her friends, this could be a Nash equilibrium, depending on the payoffs. The solution as depicted in the movie is not a Nash equilibrium. There could be more Nash equilibria depending on the payoffs. Suppose we have: Strategy ............................. Payoff =============================== doing nothing ................................ 2 going for the blonde successfully ...... 3 Going for the blonde and losing ........ 0 How would you maximize your expected payoff? |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by puzzlecracker on Sep 17th, 2009, 6:23pm Hey guys and few girls (this ratio will be changed!), I haven't posted here in a while, but have forgotten about your natural needs, namely attraction! To this end, a few days ago, I published an article on reddit about the topic that touches upon ideas expressed in this thread. http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9jdtb/working_in_development_shop_fog_creek_or_google/ This thread has started by the infamous the google's co-founder -- Sergey Bring -- over 4 years ago, and it's only taking off. I promise to bring a sex liberation to geeks. I am confident that in 2010 and beyond, our sex lives will be enriched with pleasure, diversity, and variety Let's start with baby steps: Thoughts about above article, before we delve into other issues... Fondly yours, The Puzzlecracker! |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by towr on Sep 18th, 2009, 1:23am on 09/17/09 at 18:23:38, puzzlecracker wrote:
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by ThudanBlunder on Sep 18th, 2009, 10:55am on 09/18/09 at 01:23:47, towr wrote:
Cracker is a troll. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by JiNbOtAk on Sep 29th, 2009, 5:07am on 09/17/09 at 18:23:38, puzzlecracker wrote:
Hopefully, there would be humans involved.. ::) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by puzzlecracker on Nov 8th, 2010, 1:31pm Hello everyone, It's been forever since my last post on this topic... Well, not really on this topic, but certainly relevant. However, I find it odd that I address this issue in this community. What the heck, let see what will come out of it. After all, I have nothing to lose. Earlier today, I posted an account of my recent fiasco involving multiple affairs on reddit. Please read it and share your thoughts. I assure you it's NOT a trolling instance, and everything stated there is true: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/e31c5/should_i_contact_her_or_not/ |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by puzzlecracker on Mar 18th, 2011, 7:13am on 02/07/05 at 22:42:25, Sergey Brin wrote:
;) This thread has been on for the past 6 years. Congratulation everyone for participation and contribution. :) |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by fizyka on Sep 20th, 2011, 1:07pm It's such a shame that neerds, geeks and other highly intelligent kinds have very little chance to attractive woman. I think I am personally not geek and not neerd (but I do love physics and computer science and internet but also I love to party all night long in the club and I lve working out at the gym) and I have a lot of women in my life. Maybe I can little advice You. 1. Be respectfull and very self-confident 1 Sometime be a bad boy 1. Act like You don't care about staff, because You dont need to care. But You do have a hobby and Your life is great and is about career and You like to party. Be handsome, it's not to hard to working out at the gym to have more muscles and take care of your look and body. Your life isnt about her, Your life is great and is about You! But sometimes You have a little time for girls - act like this. And most of the time - no feelings, be hard guy. Sometimes You can little show her sensitivity but not too much 1. Nothing is a problem for You, because You ARE A SUCCES MAN, everything is posibble for YOU. Ok, I think it's enough for now. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by khuram4u on Oct 27th, 2011, 4:09pm if you want to attract the female and want a place in her heart then know the girl as much as you can and communicate appropriately. So, how do I find out what kind of personality she has? You need to ask questions and get to know her. The most important things you need to find out about her are: 1. Does she look for the best possible mate and goes out with a dozen guys to find out OR does she go for the first guy that slightly gets her interest? 2. Is she open about her relationship? Is she open about sex? 3. Is she “Miss Independent?” Meaning, is she a strong career-oriented women that wants to work in the future? Or is she more of a house wife type of quality, where she would want to stay home and look after the children? Now these questions, and more as you get to know her, will give you a basic idea of what kind of personality she has. And also you can get a basic idea from these questions about how to attract women with these specific personalities. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by fizyka on Dec 6th, 2011, 4:17pm @khuram4u I think yout advices are ok, but it is for tittle older ladies, who like to build stable relationship. I think, if we are young, we should just have fun, and this stuff like stable-relationship will come later. Now is time to parties and experiments if U R under 30 :D |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by alien2 on Feb 10th, 2012, 4:52pm I'm a bit shy when it comes to Martian and human females. But I have decided to show you the picture of my girlfriend (http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv28/alien624837/ruzna1.jpg). She is everything to me. I would like to pop the question, but I'm not sure how to proceed. What should I say to her? I'd appreciate any advice. |
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Title: Re: women - big problem Post by martincroe on Feb 13th, 2012, 2:46am i agree with you, some time women is a big problem for all, no body understand the women |
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