The debate over affirmative action could get very sloppy and may not even be very useful. Does the LP stand philosophically against all affirmative action? I assume the speakers dislike government sponsored affirmative action. But what about the affirmative action at Stanford or a private company. I think it is important that we make clear what type of affirmative action is defensible. A possible argument would be that the SAT does not accurately predict college performance for certain individuals. BAMN of course takes the stance that affirmative action is always right. But there is some ground that we would agree on. If the debate reached this common ground, I don't know what might happen. The debate could stagnate into name calling if there is nothing substantiave to argue over. I think you have to be careful when you argue with a group whose arguments and aims are not well defined or well thought out. It might be better if we had a debate with an articulate group of students. nesim sisa