Nesim and I were talking about the logistics of getting all these new groups started after everyone else left the meeting yesterday. Here are some things we came up with. 1. We might want to wait until we have found some objectivists to start an objectivist group. 2. One of the biggest advantages that will come out of splitting up is that we will be able to clearly separate anarcho-capitalism (which will be the province of the anarchist group) from mainstream libertarianism. This is good because when we get new potential members, we can get them interested in mainstream libertarianism, based on the sort of natural rights or minarchist arguments, without turning them off with the fairly extreme and implausible anarcho-capitalist position. When "Cal Libertarians" presents David Friedman, it sort of implies that "libertarians" think Dr. Friedman is right, while most of those who are libertarians (upt o about 30% of the population depending ont he statistics) would say his ideas are too far fetched. 3. An ISIL group would allow us to present a broader range of ideas because when we don't really want to present things far outside the party platform in a political group like Cal Libertarians. It would also allow Cal Libertarians to an actual political action group, without turning off those who are interested in hearing about "individual liberty," but don't want to associate themselves with a group actually trying to do something like abolish the state income tax. For example, I might be interested socialist anarchismm, but I wouldn't want to go to meetings of (e.g.) the ISO, because I don't want to hang out with aspiring revolutionaries. 4. An umbrella organization, the Berkeley Liberty Coalition, is probably unnecessary right now. We would probably be better off setting up just the SIL and ASU right now, and adding the BLC when people being members of multiple groups isn't enough to manage things. For a schedule, Nesim and I thought that people are unlikely to want to come to several meetings a week, so alternating weeks is probably a good structure. First thing is that all administrative stuff, like how we should manage the mailing lists, and getting constitutions written, should be delegated to a monthly administrative meeting for all the groups. THe other weeks would be for activities related to the respective groups. Here's our proposed schedule, to begin on April 15th (the third wednesday of April): 1st Wednesday Cal Libertarians. Political activism (petitions, involvement with the local and state party, and so on) and Libertarian speakers (people who are actually in politics or want to be or are in the party) 2nd Wednesday Anarchist Student Union anarcho-capitalism, an-cap'sm and how it relates to other forms of anarchism, and general extremism, since you can't hurt the name of a group that calls itself anarchist. Intended to be a discussion group, and host any type of speaker (and presentations from members when they have an idea and time). My enthusiasm for this group is because I want to get to post flyers with the A in a circle thing. 3rd Wednesday Administrative Meeting. This is where all business for all the clubs will be handled. When we need it, we can turn this into a Berkeley Liberty Coalition meeting. The goal is to get all the busniess out of the other weeks so that newcomers can actually learn about what we are trying to do, not be bored with the logistics of it. 4th Wednesday Students for Individual Liberty. General discussion of libertarian and other more-free-than-what-we-have-now ideas. The Henry George guy would be appropriate for this group, since it is totally unrelated to the LP, but concerned with Individual Liberty. I think we should try hard to keep this group moderate, so that we can attract people who want more liberty than what the Republemocrats will give them, but aren't violent revolutionaries like the rest of us. 5th Wednesday (1 out of 3 months) Whatever needs more time, whatever we can schedule. All these will have to be fairly flexible, so that we can rearrange the meetings so that whatever speaker we can get will be speaking to the appropriate group. To improve attendance, I think we should have a volutary list, of people who say they want to be counted as members. They must sign up at a meeting, and we'll print out some nice "Official Card Carrying Anarchist" cards (or whatever group). The real purpose is to get a phone list of people who don't follow the newsgroup but want to stay involved, so that we can call them to remind them that whatever groupo they have a special interest in is meeting the following day. We can put at the top of the "Official Membership List" that everyone signing up more or less agrees with at least some of the ideas that the club stands for. This will give us a better gauge than just the email list we have now. --Kevin (insert smilies where appropriate if you are humor impared)