OCF Board of Directors Meeting Thursday, 4 March 2004 BoD For Tonight: eleen - present jkit - present elliot - present adrian - absent (1st) yehfang - absent (1st) rahat - absent (1st) hkim - present akamike - present phlee - present kainsenl - present # members total: 10 # members required for quorum: 7 # members present: 7 Quorum achieved! Attendance: name - login --------------- jimmy - jkit eleen - eleen mike - akamike shiva - shivab kaisen - kaisenl hugh - huiran elliot - elliot george - geo joydip - joydip patrick - phlee harry - hkim devin - jones Present but not on BoD: shivab geo huiran joydip jones BoD For Next Meeting: eleen jkit elliot adrian - 1 absence yehfang - 1 absence rahat - 1 absence hkim akamike phlee kaisenl # members total: 10 # required for quorum: 7 ------------------- Introductions: name, login, pizza preferences and misc. info jimmy - jkit likes chicken, sundried tomatoes and mushrooms jimmy is the site manager eleen - eleen general manager handles money stuff social stuff people stuff likes the same thing. mike - akamike (login soon to be leemike) likes anything in terms of pizza shiva - shivab a vegetarian but is okay with chicken kaisen - kaisenl doesn't care hugh - huiran Found about ocf b/c he's a websmaster for two clubs 3rd year cogsci major he's in 188 wants to join staff likes whatever kind of pizza elliot - elliot likes anything, suggests pesto for the heck of it. george - geo anything except anchovies and olives joydip - joydip likes any kind of pizza patrick - phlee anything with meat no vegetables! harry - hkim anything's fine devin - jones he likes chicken and sundried tomatoes ORDERING PIZZA Jimmy would like to point out that sun dried tomatoes are a fruit and mushrooms are a fungus GM MESSAGE - Not much! - We have money in our miscellaneous fund, which the fund that we get to keepforever; they won't take it away. - $600 - because Fuller bought some Dells from us. We put the money in our misc. fund ASUC FUNDING INFO - ASUC gives us money for specific purposes; our usage of it is restricted. (Specifically not food or socials) - We bought Dells with this fund. - We have another fund called miscellaneous. We can use this for anything. FUNDRAISING It is good T-SHIRTS - Do it? - Does anyone know how to make t-shirts? No. - T-shirt designs - It's cooler if one of us does it. - T-shirt contest? SM MESSAGE - Jimmy changed keyboard on one of windows machines b/c it was broken - Locked down (old kbd). - Old keyboard is on top of tower. NEW BUSINESS - STAFF STUFF - Wiki is updated - Account creation is updated - Individual accounts - Group accounts - Logins - 50% of characters have to be from real name - we recommend that they are in order but are not strict. - use your judgment. - Making new accounts - fist them first - Changing passwords - make sure they actually know their login. - use fist. - Synching Windows Passwords - To do this, log user in question on to: - hurricane.ocf.berkeley.edu - Refer users to password people if it doesn't work. - (see http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/staff_hours to find out who password people are) - Getting sudo access - ask GM or SM if you want to sudo - JSP - Are we supporting it? - jjlin says no - worried about resources - Temporarily might be okay, but long term has to be brought up at Bod? - What does this involve? - Install tomcat on webserver - Pros and cons? - Pros - supports jsp - Cons - takes up a lot of resources, depending upon # of users using JSP. - Shivab says: - JSP only issues 1 thread for each process, and doesn't spawn a lot of processes. - not a lot of people use JSP - More Performance Details - JSP has a performance advantage with larger or frequently used programs b/c it's compiled instead of interpreted each time - What is it? - It's a scripting language, like ASP, PHP. - What does it do? - Runs java servletts - server side computing - Human issues - Would we have to provide tech support for people programming in JSP? - We don't particularly know much about it. - Security - Not a significantly more insecure than other scripting language servers. - Can you install the server on your own account? - Should be doable? - Except problems with talking to Apache? - Apache needs to register tomcat services - Conclusion: - jkit: talk with jeremy, if it's okay with him, feel free. - PROFILES AND GHOSTING - Windows profiles are the settings for your windows. - Those profiles are stored on supernova, which is a unix box. - Supernova - unix file systems need inodes. - supernova's out of inodes. - We don't know what to do. - Background question: - When/where is the # of inodes set? - Possible solutions - Set up a samba server on another machine? - akamike: I've done it at home, but not securely. - jkit: You wouldn't be doing it by yourself. - Move windows profiles to home directories on death? - If we moved profiles to death, it would just transfer the issue to death. - Why are windows profiles on a different machine from main server in the first place? - fact that they're on death suggests someone had a reason for the separation at some point in time - Other solutions: getting more disk - jones recommends: buy a really big hard disk running an operating system/filesystem that can handle a lot of little files - ex: xfs, razorfs - Filesystem change - What filesystem are we running? - If we upgraded it, would it solve the problem? - Is it possible to convert file systems? - Delete files - Look at internet explorer caches? - Each one may have thousands of small files. - Disable IE cache - it's possible to disable cache globally but realistically it's difficult to change all the settings for everything (e.g. all browsers on all computers) - deletion: - make a cron job to delete temp internet files daily - Clear inactive accounts? - Quotas - It is possible to set inode quotas. - But users probably won't understand inodes quotas. - Immediate solution: get rid of cache - Talking of converting current filesystem. - Do we even need windows profiles? - it's useful for customization - eleen: does anyone know how to do this? - joydip and shivab are recruited to work on this issue. - Who has power to decide these kinds of issues? - We should check the consitution - Believe that technical issues at discretion of sm - Talk of electing a policy dude ...to know policy. - e-mail psb with policy questions - COURSE ACCOUNTS - There is no current policy - We've never really done them - In practice we've done them for decal courses and groups that are recognized by departments - Who owns courses? - Instructor or head ta? - What about simultaneous classes? - e.g. two different lectures for calc 1a? - Issues - shivab: would this generate a lot more traffic? - not significantly - the biggest burden that this would create is more people asking for accounts. - a lot of courses change hands often, - at the beginning of the semester there would be chaos - e.g. new TAs wouldn't get the password from old TA. - jkit: Would we we want to reset passwords every semester anyway? - Devin: the one really annoying thing about course account is that stuff can get misleading because of old data. - shivab: why are departments running out of space and why are *we* taking up the slack?? - devin: runs web server for professor - this server has to do with his professional stuff. - also does class accounts. - this prof only teaches every other semester. NOT DONE EDITING! other teachers come to talk departments are vil because they charge a ton and give very little access bureautcratic red tape up the wazoo took a month to get permission they have bugs in publishing server. not a straight server. they are migrating everyone to courseweb, which is unacceptable because they already have a full website. why not have a professor do it and stick it under their own individual account? b/c that would confuse other profs, students. This will allow for a persistent place, shared space on alternative space. Jkit; this would score us points. devin: wouldn't immediately get us more funding? but would get us mad kudos? and b/c we'd have professors relyuing upon us it would be huge. Eleen: policy changes? jkit: would work the same as student gruops, with minor modifications as needed? devin: definitely eligible uder curent account policy, aside from letters and numbers. Don't create accounts for nonpersisten classes? ----- Heller will be a social lounge. geo motions to close phlee seconds DEVIN says: OCF can get money by helping to run ASUC elections!