Delivered-To: elliot42@gmail.com Received: by 10.114.235.5 with SMTP id i5cs4063wah; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:01:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.93.19 with SMTP id v19mr5144094pyl.1171602116051; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:01:56 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from war.OCF.Berkeley.EDU (sinkhole.OCF.Berkeley.EDU [192.58.221.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id w29si3257180pyg.2007.02.15.21.01.54; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:01:56 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of gm@ocf.berkeley.edu designates 192.58.221.250 as permitted sender) Received: from [136.152.138.148] (asuc-wlan-net-9.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.138.148]) by war.OCF.Berkeley.EDU (8.13.7/8.9.3) with ESMTP id l1G4xjUC014815; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:59:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thomson@ocf.berkeley.edu) Message-ID: <45D53A42.6020500@ocf.berkeley.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:59:46 -0800 From: Thomson Nguyen Reply-To: thomson@OCF.Berkeley.EDU Organization: Open Computing Facility User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bod@OCF.Berkeley.EDU Subject: BoD 2/15/07 X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey guys, here are BoD minutes. Suggestions and comments appreciated, will go live in an hour. - --Thomson OCF Sexy man - ---------------------------------- Open Computing Facility University of California, Berkeley Board of Directors Meeting #2 February 8, 2007 - ---------------------------------- <<<<<>>>>> *Note: All dates are of the form MM/DD/YYYY* *Note: Dialogue may be slightly paraphrased--content has been retained* *Note: All motions will have the numbering SP07-###, where ### is athree digit positive integer. Example: The first motion (SP07-001) was last week, and concerns mail quotas. Motion vote counts will always be of the form # (in favor/# oppose/# abstaining). Motions to adjourn are not included.* *Note: Proposed Agenda refers to the agenda written on the blackboard shortly before BoD begins. Agenda refers the actual agenda covered during BoD. Attending: - ------------------------------ &akit (Angel Kittiyachavalit, General Manager) &sahnn (Sue Ahnn, General Manager) *elliot (Elliot Block, Site Manager) *aoaks (Aaron Oaks, Site Manager) @thomson (Thomson Nguyen, Secretary) !jchu (Jonathan Chu, PIMP) wln (Willis Lin) meithan (Mei Than) gordeon (Gordon Mei) griffin (Griffin Foster) wendaz (Wenda Zhou) abhi (Abhi Yerra) cld (Catey Davidson) cardi (Calvin Ardi) sluo (Steven Luo) frank (Frank Cohen) yury (Yury Sobolev) (One absence in a row, absence counter resets) dvolmar (Dan Volmar) (One absence in a row, absence counter resets) maymei (May Mei) (One absence in a row, absence counter resets) jameson (Jameson Lee) (One absence in a row, absence counter resets) ^devin (Devin Jones) &: Denotes GM *: Denotes SM @: Denotes Secretary !: Denotes PIMP ^: Denotes person not on BoD Not Attending: - ------------------------------ dima (Dima Shirchenko) (First absence) aclee (Alexander Lee) (Two absences in a row, dropped from BoD) tony (Tony Hu) (Two absences in a row, dropped from BoD) geo (George Wu) (First absence) Quorum for today: 16 BoD members attending: 20 Non-members attending: 1 **Quorum has been met!** <> - ----GM---- - -Budget $7224.01! - -T-shirt Update - -Expansion Update - -Tom - -Grant Writing - -Tabliing - -AC - -Maintenance Day! - -Work Study - ----SM---- - -Color Printer - -Project Group Update - -Website Holiday Mods - -Mail Moved - -OCF has a wii!!! <> <> - ----GM---- akit: hello everyone - -Budget akit: $7222.01 akit: after geo's $1900 tony's $413 order yury: it's usually not that much akit: shady seller yury: there are other sellers for $300. we got ripped off akit: we also allocated $2k for UPS, don't know how that's going to factor with more paper/toner - -T-shirt akit: coming in 7-10 days, griffin fixed errors in the back design. griffin: it'll all be fine - -Expansion akit: fullmer says they need help carrying books from the basement to somewhere outside of the basement. two hours of work required, volunteers will get free food yury: this is something you want to volunteer for, as we are making room for our own expansion akit: tell me your availability for next week - -Tom akit: i saw tom, the guy who donated our server, he is giving us free adobe software including adobe photoshop, illustrator, indesign akit: we need to fundraise because after UPS and paper/toner, we will have no money for the summer - -Workstudy akit: NEA sent me a workstudy job. you would bring your laptop with a plugin for powerpoint that records audio 5-15 hours a week. (passes around a flyer) - -Tabling sahnn: Wednesdays and thursdays for tabling akit: because I know aoaks is free then cld: that's when my staff hours are maymei: i'm good for thurs akit: we could potentially make this a weekly thing elliot: cost-benefit analysis: is it because we don't get enough users, is it fun? aoaks: it's loads of fun yury: we wear penguin suits akit: it gets our name out to people who don't otherwise know what/where the OCF is elliot: so it's for publicity. if it's for visibilty, we could pump up our flyering akit: i have many flyers, i just need staplers frank: if you just want publicity, flyering by itself is pretty effective maymei: we prolly need the tabling - -Mainentance Day akit: MD on Saturday, only five of you on facebook confirmed milki: send it to staffmail sahnn: there's going to be food + wii yury: you didn't send it to staffmail? akit: check the minutes, we wil be having food - -AC akit: doesn't work, drain pump is not pumping correctly, so when you open the door, a torrent of water comes out yury: maybe it's clogged akit: the floor is wet and could potentially get moldy aoaks: too late, it's already spilled maymei: we can get Bops to do it? akit: we bought it ourselves, so we have to service it jameson: did you find the manual/receipt? akit: i found the manual (devin walks in) akit: when did we buy the AC? devin: i think we bought one in 2000, exchanged it later on with david fullmer; we had a small one, he had one that was too big, it was a perfect match akit: that's why, he gave us a lemon frank: we can hook a fountain pump next to a timer everyone: ... akit: as long as we don't actually break it. it works, it just doesn't drain correctly maymei: where does it usually drain? akit: outside, through a tube yury: two things: we're moving into an AC'ed room, so servers aren't going to be a problem. we may want to trade fuller back as we don't need this one currently. it's not quite meeting our cooling needs griffin: we can't exactly trade again, his is not exactly working yury: we're also overworking the AC due to our small throughput via pipes - ----SM---- - -Printers elliot: friday, monday, any other time is good after 3pm. milki: weren't we going on sunday? elliot: he's not there on the weekends, we'll tak to him about when to go - -Project groups elliot: we had a good last week. met with cardi and talked about mysql, etc. met with gordeon and he's making a... gordeon: web based interface so one can manage account stuff online w/o SSH yury: this might not be secure elliot: cardi? cardi: what we decided is that we have plans for a web development server, ie get RoR and RT on it in addition to making a staff sandbox for general playing around. we don't know which box we're going to use, we want an AMD rackmount, we're still inventorying which ones are being used for which...we basically want to take any AMD rackmount hozing and make it ours. i know there's at least 3-4 not doing anything yury: plague prolly is open cardi: so we're going to take a box, install solaris 10. we meet mondays at 7pm at the OCF. come if you're inerested! we have a wiki page under projects. ^_^ elliot: web is thursdays at 6 at the OCF, yeah? gordeon: yes elliot: LDAP/Kerberos we need to reschedule...also I want to figure out kerberos, and something sneaky that I can't tell you everyone: ooooooh elliot: supernova's broken, we're going to try to fix it (sluo coughs) yury: cough drop? aoaks: did anyone notice gordeon's website mod? (various people raise their hands) if you didn't, he made the ilamp pink (for v-day), so the plan is he'll localize it for different holidays. (looks at secretary) stop typing what i'm saying sluo: except web is down right now everyone: what?!?!? akit: and everyone's here... - -Mail aoaks: yury and i moved mail to headcrash yury: there was a period before i mounted stuff to pandemic during which i was rsync'ing where stuff was lost for a 20-minute period. whoops milki: tsunami is read only when i use mutt aoaks: don't use tsunami, use something else, it is not nice with mail. - -Projects and stuff elliot: we're going to have a server for the web dev guys, we're going to have someone do PHP for you, or at least have someone picked out, we're going to have a time for LDAP/Kerberos, scheme for color printing, gordeon: can we vote on a color printer name? akit: how many? sluo: one color printer, the other are monochromes yury: let's wait until we can get them operational before naming them sluo: web is back up btw (people check) elliot: what are you goals for stuff moving forward? akit: grantwriting, big ideas (closes door because fools bein' loud outside) akit: the only thing for NSF is that it won't apply until next year (yury and akit argue) akit: flyers by next week elliot: details? frank: FLYERS BY NEXT WEEK. elliot: details? frank: it'll be up. maymei: monday night before in-n-out run? akit: sounds good maymei: i can steal MUSA's staple gun, nighttime's good because we can't disturb people yury: i have keycard access to Evans elliot: we'll try to get acces to as many buildings as possible, then flyer. otherwise, nothing else is moving forward jameson: supernova is moving forward, aoaks and i are working on it elliot: goal for next week, supernova back up? jameson: it's up yury: everything works, just don't reboot jameson: we might be physically replacing supernova aoaks: it's running right now, kinda thomson: this is the perfect opportunity to install samba 3 sluo: but it has no support for nis+ thomson: oh darn akit: vista? thomson: it doesn't add to domain sluo: smtp: i set it up over ssl so the only thing holding us back is that someone has to write that damn letter to send to users yury: impressive aoaks: sluo has some nice letter templates elliot: we'll talk about it later. as long as we know where everyone is, that's great. if you need help, come to me. yury: homes need to be moved to famine, maintenance day would be a great day to do this elliot: are you sure? yury: it takes 3 hours and a couple of SM's sluo: we could get quotas fixed for mail yury: i could do it tonight, it would put 50 people over hard quota immediately sluo: so raise hard quota for them elliot: we'll continue later yury: no elliot: is it necessary? yury: if we take the ocf down, send an ocf-announce sluo: i say we should defer, it's not a good idea to move homes to a machine we have to kick every couple of days (sluo and yury talk about moving homes) aoaks: thomson donated his wii to the OCF thomson: i didn't donate it, it's on semi-permanent residence, make sure to clean up after yourself and have fun. akit: where are the george foreman grills? everyone: dunno yury: that's what you get if you leave them out in the open akit: one more comment we have $405 on phone left. so call long distance! frank: we don't have to use all of it akit: i know akit: anything else? (silence) aoaks: food? akit: food after maintenance day - -Supernova woes sluo: let's talk about rm -rf / akit: does everyone know about it? yury, explain for us yury: when dwc screws up he doesn't get lip about it sahnn: so tell us yury: so apparently rm is supposed to be smart enough such that when you try to recursively remove the root directory, it warns you. so i decided to test it out. sluo made me. sluo: no i didn't, i said it might work, but not to try it yury: well it works now sluo: it's fine, just don't reboot and var is missing (gag) yury: well it works aoaks: it has no kernel yury: well it works! jameson: would yo ulike me to produce a list of things missing for /var? cld: it's ok, yury messes up a lot sluo: and that's the problem (frank motions to adjourn) (cld seconds) sluo: no we need to talk about this, yury has demonstrated a serious lack of judgment. (meeting not adjourned) yury: i'll drop root, and you do all the work sluo: he's not getting any better at claiming responsibility yury: i was on five hours of sleep, and had impaired judgement jameson: i've seen aoaks w/o 24 hours of sleep, and he hasn't anything stupid yury: but he hasn't done any root-level work (silence) sluo: i believe yury should not be on root yury: ok fine sluo: ok yury: ok sluo: any objections? i can't do it anyway, i'm just a member of BoD, and this is an SM decision yury: i'll take myself off cld: yury does a lot of work sluo: he does a lot of work, but he makes us less productive cld: but he took responsibility and i don't think it's fair, it just strikes me as the wrong thing to do yury: i fixed this within an hour sluo: it's not fixed though elliot: sooooo i was looking up on wiki the legal definition of negligence so if you look it up, an isolated incident just means you just pay damages instead of dropping ones' license. this is a matter of whether there is a historical pattern of character negligence if we are to consider any real punishment jameson: we are fixing it as best we can yury: that aside, do yo uwant to press te point? sluo: yes yury: what else have i done? sluo: let's see....as far as i remember, yury started out like the rest of us with approve privileges, etc. can't do much damage, because that's how it works. we do have lots of stories of yury's hozing and irc behavior yury: which has nothing to do with the ocf sluo: sure it does, it speaks of character. if we go through the past few years of archived staffmail, there are two names that stick out in terms of flaming. the first, novakyu, is no longer on staff. he voluntarily took himself off. the other, is yury. again, i don't claim that this is yury screwing up, but it is yury demonstrating his character. yury: i think you're a prick. we're judging actions, not character sluo: actions like hacking another staffer's yury: that's between me and jhscott sluo: look i'm trying to build a picture of yury as an irresponsible person who doesn't see the consequences of his own actions and thus should not be on root. moving to more recent things sending out a certain sarcastic email to a certain company who offered jobs + dinner. demonstrates poor judgement. yury: has nothing to do with root, anyone could of done this sluo: but they didn't. yury has joked about hacking us. the temptation goes down when you have root, since you could just do everything anyway. yury: essentially every single time i found an exploit, i emailed staff about it, this included (enumerates exploits that secretary will not repeat) sluo: i'm talking about careless statements of threat jameson: how about i sorry your account? sluo: how about i turn off your machine, just because yury: you've done it as well sluo: i don't do it unless you start (loud argument) yury: don't say you haven't abused root to kill an X session while I was working sluo: i haven't yury: that's a lie sluo: if you claim that you have the memory to recall that, i'm sorry. but i don't kill people's X sessions randomly. i don't claim to be high and mighty, i claim to have better judgement about this. sahnn: so is there any action? anyone? (silence) sahnn: so you think action should be taken sluo: yes yury: the reason why i'm up so late is because i'm doing root stuff. if you want to take it away, that's fine frank: would it be productive if yury stepped out and we talked about it? akit: good idea (yury leaves the room) jameson: i want a bar of crunch <<(dialogue off the record)>> (yury comes back into the room) yury: well akit: we've deicided that you should propose your own punishment yury: i'm already working to fix it, and i did that immediately, so if you want to decide more, decide it yourself elliot: we just want a symbolic gesture of cooperation yury: i fail to see what more you want elliot: it's hard to explain. the impression i get is that...people sahnn: we just want some way that you'll show us that you'll exercise better judgement yury: i have nothing to say right now, but i'll get back to you by maintenance day. jameson: if you're willing to think about it, that's a step forward (jameson motions to adjourn) (cld seconds) griffin: wait, this is a pretty serious issue (meeting is not adjourned, again) devin: you need to think about some things, and then talk back to the group next week after everyone has thought about it akit: tabled until next bod (jameson motions to adjourn, for a third time) (meithan seconds) <<>> *No Motions for this week* -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF1Tg5N8q1iFlKmkARAqQkAJ9ZxvmRB7qmIhD3ak9j9XiD79dm8ACePCZc AjJniPrAJaTaKCBN2oGjUzQ= =+7e4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----