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« on: Oct 5th, 2007, 2:43am »
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And yet another survey, maybe we could see the predominant religion adhered to by the members here.
 
I'm a moslem. ( Assuming most would reply christian, I'd say it'll be better if the sect / denominations are stated as well ).
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« Reply #1 on: Oct 5th, 2007, 2:57am »
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Progressive Jew.
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« Reply #2 on: Oct 5th, 2007, 4:40am »
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Progressively Confused. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #3 on: Oct 5th, 2007, 5:05am »
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Protestant, to be more specific, Baptist.
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« Reply #4 on: Oct 5th, 2007, 5:06am »
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I am a modest atheist.
 
(I'm too modest to believe there is a God)
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« Reply #5 on: Oct 5th, 2007, 6:05am »
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Not a big fan of surveys, but since I'm on record elsewhere anyway: Christian, of the "mainstream" US protestant variety.  Raised in the Christian Reformed Church in North America but found them a little too pedantic and more than a little too frangible (they come from a hundreds-years tradition of dealing with doctrinal differences by splitting into new denominations) for my "taste."  My mother left the CRC for the Anglican church for much the same reasons -- I guess at the moment I'm leaning toward Lutheran, but I'm still looking around.
 
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 5th, 2007, 6:31am »
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on Oct 5th, 2007, 5:06am, Grimbal wrote:
I am a modest atheist.
 
(I'm too modest to believe there is a God)

I am as well, but my religion is Judaism, my belief is atheism.
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« Reply #7 on: Oct 5th, 2007, 6:56am »
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on Oct 5th, 2007, 6:31am, mikedagr8 wrote:
I am as well, but my religion is Judaism, my belief is atheism.
I'm confused, how does that work?
How can you both follow a belief system that says there's a god, and one that says there isn't? That sounds like something akin to a meat-eating vegetarian.
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« Reply #8 on: Oct 5th, 2007, 6:59am »
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on Oct 5th, 2007, 6:56am, towr wrote:

I'm confused, how does that work?
How can you both follow a belief system that says there's a god, and one that says there isn't? That sounds like something akin to a meat-eating vegetarian.

I was aksed what I am. I am a Progressive Jew. I was brought up to be one. But I ventured off into atheism. So I am an atheist.
 
Atheism at heart, on the surface though, I am a Jew. I practise Judaism, but I do not believe in it. Clear?
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« Reply #9 on: Oct 5th, 2007, 6:59am »
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on Oct 5th, 2007, 2:43am, JiNbOtAk wrote:
I'm a moslem. ( Assuming most would reply christian, I'd say it'll be better if the sect / denominations are stated as well ).

 
What particular sect / denomination of muslim?
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« Reply #10 on: Oct 5th, 2007, 8:08am »
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on Oct 5th, 2007, 6:05am, SMQ wrote:
I guess at the moment I'm leaning toward Lutheran, but I'm still looking around.

 
Baptized Lutheran but went Presbyterian. (You might want to check it out if you are still looking... the doctrine allows for evolutionary/scientific beliefs as well as Christian values, etc whereas I found Lutheranism a bit too constraining on either "You agree with us or you don't")
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« Reply #11 on: Oct 5th, 2007, 9:18am »
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From what I've seen around here, at least, the couple of LCMS (Missouri Synod) churches can be that way, but the ELCA church I visited seemed much less rigid -- for instance they regularly hold joint services with the Presbyterian and Anglican churches in their neighborhood.  One of my friends who grew up Lutheran said: "If you divide Lutherans by what they feel they can never have too much of, there are two kinds: 'guilt' Lutherans and 'Jello' Lutherans." Smiley
 
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« Reply #12 on: Oct 5th, 2007, 2:33pm »
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I'm semi-Christian, vaguely Anglican...
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« Reply #13 on: Oct 5th, 2007, 2:34pm »
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on Oct 5th, 2007, 6:59am, mikedagr8 wrote:
Atheism at heart, on the surface thouogh, I am a Jew. I practise Judaism, but I do not believe in it. Clear?

In what way is it better to be a closet atheist rather than be openly agnostic, say?
OK, I suppose your parents wouldn't be very pleased if you came out.
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« Reply #14 on: Oct 5th, 2007, 2:56pm »
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God unites.
Religion divides.
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« Reply #15 on: Oct 5th, 2007, 3:17pm »
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on Oct 5th, 2007, 2:56pm, ThudanBlunder wrote:
God unites.
Religion divides.

 
However, Gods divide!! *sigh*
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« Reply #16 on: Oct 5th, 2007, 5:45pm »
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on Oct 5th, 2007, 3:17pm, Sameer wrote:

 
However, Gods divide!! *sigh*

BUT NOT BY ZERO!!! Tongue
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on Oct 5th, 2007, 2:34pm, ThudanBlunder wrote:

In what way is it better to be a closet atheist rather than be openly agnostic, say?
OK, I suppose your parents wouldn't be very pleased if you came out.

I am in no way a closet atheist Angry
I've even written an article stating that if there were a God, it would be Chuck Norris. Tongue
 
My parents are well aware with what I believe in, part of being progressive allows you to pretty much do and believe in whatever you like.
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« Reply #18 on: Oct 5th, 2007, 5:59pm »
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on Oct 5th, 2007, 5:48pm, mikedagr8 wrote:

 
I've even written an article stating that if there were a God, it would be Chuck Norris. Tongue

 
Oh Lord... not the Chuck Norris jokes LOL...
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« Reply #19 on: Oct 5th, 2007, 6:24pm »
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on Oct 5th, 2007, 6:59am, mikedagr8 wrote:
Atheism at heart, on the surface though, I am a Jew.

on Oct 5th, 2007, 5:48pm, mikedagr8 wrote:
I am in no way a closet atheist

Why then are you not an atheist on the surface?
And why is atheism more attractive to you (at the age of 16) than agnosticism?
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« Reply #20 on: Oct 5th, 2007, 6:26pm »
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on Oct 5th, 2007, 6:24pm, ThudanBlunder wrote:

 
Why then are you not an atheist on the surface?
And why is atheism more attractive to you (at the age of 16) than agnosticism?

I am not on the surface, becuase I still am part of my family, so until I leave home, I am not on the surface.
 
Agnosticism doesn't really appeal to me at the moment. Maybe in the future it will, but for now, it doesn't. What is your religious beliefs do you have TB?
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« Reply #21 on: Oct 5th, 2007, 6:36pm »
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on Oct 5th, 2007, 5:45pm, mikedagr8 wrote:

BUT NOT BY ZERO!!! Tongue

 
Are you taking over the role of someone?  Roll Eyes
 
on Oct 5th, 2007, 6:26pm, mikedagr8 wrote:

I am not on the surface, becuase I still am part of my family, so until I leave home, I am not on the surface.

 
 
Why do you need to leave home to have your own identity?
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« Reply #22 on: Oct 5th, 2007, 6:39pm »
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Why do you need to leave home to have your own identity?

Because while I am still at home, I am subjected to my parents and their beliefs. Outside of my house I am my own person (religion wise), but while inside, I am that of my parents.
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« Reply #23 on: Oct 5th, 2007, 6:48pm »
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I am not on the surface, becuase I still am part of my family, so until I leave home, I am not on the surface.
Agnosticism doesn't really appeal to me at the moment. Maybe in the future it will, but for now, it doesn't. What is your religious beliefs do you have TB?

Yes, I suppose you do not want to disappoint your parents; so that is a wise decision.
 
Agnosticism is not really something that is meant to 'appeal' to one. It is more like the last resort of the confused soul.  
 
As for myself, I see no reason to label or limit myself by affiliating with any organised religion. If religions help us to behave in a more humane, compassionate way towards others then they justify their existence. As for religions or their representatives actually claiming to represent God, that is presumptuous arrogance. Religions can be likened to rivers flowing into the Ocean. When a molecule of water in a river reaches the Ocean, does it really matter which river it came from? And will the Ocean care? The Ocean knows only the Ocean.
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« Reply #24 on: Oct 5th, 2007, 6:55pm »
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on Oct 5th, 2007, 6:48pm, ThudanBlunder wrote:

 Religions can be likened to rivers flowing into the Ocean. When a molecule of water in a river reaches the Ocean, does it really matter which river it came from?

 
Well put. I've chosen the religion that best fits my personal belief system, but it is rather irritating to hear self-righteous evangelists tell others they are going to hell, etc if they don't believe the exact same thing as these supposedly Christian people who turn right around and treat others like crap.  
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