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Re: Survey #4  
« Reply #50 on: Mar 22nd, 2008, 9:14pm »
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May I remind you all of the following chronology:
 
1. This being an open forum, I post a (contentious) personal opinion.
2. Icarus disagrees, distorts, denigrates (straw man attempt).
3. I respond politely.
4. Icarus switches to an ad hominem attack.
5. I respond in kind.
6. Icarus threatens to stop playing and take his ball home because nobody got crushed to death in the stampede to defend him.
7. Everybody comes out in sympathy for Icarus and Thud is the bad guy.  
 
Oh well, it's not the end of the world. Perhaps people shouldn't take themselves so seriously.  Roll Eyes
 
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« Reply #51 on: Mar 23rd, 2008, 5:32am »
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Disclaimer: I don't claim to be speaking for anyone but myself, least-of-all Icarus.  Everything written herein should be taken as my personal opinion, nothing more.
 
on Mar 22nd, 2008, 9:14pm, ThudanBlunder wrote:
1. This being an open forum, I post a (contentious) personal opinion.

Parts of that post -- the parts to which Icarus responded -- can be read more as a statement of the facts as you see them then as your opinion.  It was your apparent statement of your view as fact that Icarus took issue with.
 
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2. Icarus disagrees, distorts, denigrates (straw man attempt).

He misunderstood your intent, perhaps, and took personal offense where I doubt you intended any, but I see no deliberate attempt at distortion in his post -- he appears to have been responding to his honest interpretation of your words.
 
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3. I respond politely.

Your response opens with a definite needling tone toward one who has already shown himself to be offended.  Polite, perhaps, but hardly tactful.
 
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4. Icarus switches to an ad hominem attack.

He needled you back after you needled him.  You both seem to have had a hand in turning the general argument personal.  Just as I find it reasonable to read your first post as a statement of opinion rather than fact, I find it reasonable to read this post of Icarus as an attack on your argument -- that it overstates its case to the point of condradicting itself -- rather than on your character.  Without clear intent I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt to both of you.
 
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5. I respond in kind.

You upped the ante considerably.  Icarus' attack, whether it was intended as against your argument or your character, was at least still couched in the terms of discourse; yours was blatant.  Moreover, it is at odds with how Icarus seems to be generally regarded in these forums.  So far as I know, you're the only one to have found offense in the posts of his you quoted.
 
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6. Icarus threatens to stop playing and take his ball home because nobody got killed in the stampede to defend him.

Indeed, and I'm as befuddled by his reaction there as I am by your open hostility in the previous post.  Neither one fits with what I thought was going on in this thread.
 
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7. Everybody comes out in sympathy for Icarus and Thud is the bad guy.

To be fair, I'm the only one who has criticized your post.  Towr called it "unreal," and no one else has mentioned it at all.  I think the general consensus is that it would be a "bad thing" if Icarus truly left these forums for good, but I'm certainly not blaming you for that -- the decision to leave, or not, is entirely his, and as I said above, seems to me to have come as much out of left field as your post which precipitated it.
 
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Oh well, it's not the end of the world. Perhaps people shouldn't take themselves so seriously.  Roll Eyes

Now there's something I'm often rightly accused of. Wink
 
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« Reply #52 on: Mar 23rd, 2008, 11:10am »
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I rarely read these parts of forum when we don't riddle but just talk.  
It's because my poor understanding of English text.  
The discussions about religion is the field I was very scared off as it's often taken prsonally.
 
I have actually ignored the long responses ... .
 
I will miss Icarus. It seemed to me TB could be more polite.
 
But my poor English disqualifies me from judging (even if I want to).
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« Reply #53 on: Mar 24th, 2008, 8:38pm »
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Wow, some people could really get riled up over some post someone else made over the Internet. Truth be told, I did read T&B's denigrating (allegedly) comments, and I chose not to reply. Not because I agree with him, but because I was waiting for Icarus' response. ( Let's face it, Icarus can be eloquent in his affront, and it's always fun to read ).
 
Actually, whenever we have a battle of the mods ( usually it's between towr and Icarus ) , the rest of us stand back and enjoy the show. ( ok, sometimes Grimbal provided comic relief ) When this battle ( argument / discourse / war ? ) started, I believe most of us did the same thing. It's quite unreal, as towr said, that Icarus chose to take these arguments really personally, to the extent of leaving this forum for good. ( We've had good members leaving before, but I think it's a first for a mod to do so ).  
 
Icarus, you will be missed. T&B, no issues from me.  
 
p/s : Didn't expect such a bombastic response when I started this thread.
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« Reply #54 on: Mar 25th, 2008, 1:53am »
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on Mar 24th, 2008, 8:38pm, JiNbOtAk wrote:
( We've had good members leaving before, but I think it's a first for a mod to do so )
There's also James Fingas (he was made moderator at the same time as Icarus and I).
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« Reply #55 on: Mar 25th, 2008, 3:13am »
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I have not been here in the same time James Fingas responded. Did he declared to leave or just wasn't been seen for a long long time?
Allways pleasure to read his posts when some ancient topic reappears.
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« Reply #56 on: Mar 25th, 2008, 6:20am »
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on Mar 25th, 2008, 3:13am, Hippo wrote:
I have not been here in the same time James Fingas responded. Did he declared to leave or just wasn't been seen for a long long time?
He just left one new year's day. Only much later he's been back once or twice, and explained that the forum just took too much of his time and he had decided to make a clean break.
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« Reply #57 on: Mar 25th, 2008, 9:26am »
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Yes, I can understand his decission ... it would be very nice to be able to filter out all the topics I am not interested at ... currently my favorits are (bulb, how far can a track go and radiocative coins ... Smiley)
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« Reply #58 on: May 26th, 2008, 7:45am »
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Catholic here...
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« Reply #59 on: Jun 20th, 2008, 12:34pm »
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on Mar 12th, 2008, 5:04pm, Master of Everything 42 wrote:
i am atheist, and everyone knows, and they dont care

its true... i know him  Grin i think... Undecided
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« Reply #60 on: Oct 2nd, 2008, 5:53pm »
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I follow my own belief system. Right now, it's mostly Christian, though slightly different. I haven't thought of a name for it yet though.
 
I'm stuck between Dylanism and Delusion.
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« Reply #61 on: Aug 9th, 2011, 2:10pm »
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I am orthodox
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« Reply #62 on: Aug 10th, 2011, 3:13am »
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Orthodox what if I might ask?
 
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« Reply #63 on: Aug 13th, 2011, 7:05am »
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Eastern Orthodox, like the majority of the romanians.
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« Reply #64 on: Nov 3rd, 2011, 10:17pm »
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RELIGION is not important,helping others in difficult situation is important.
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