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amichail
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Ranking search results based on IQ
« on: Jun 22nd, 2007, 6:55pm » |
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Instead of using PageRank, how about computing an "IQRank" that takes into account the IQs of people?
For example, you could consider the IQ of the creator of the site as well as the IQs of people who link to the site.
The creator of a site would have a greater incentive to undergo IQ testing so as to have some chance of ranking highly.
Not sure what sort of incentive you could have for encouraging people linking to a site to undergo IQ testing.
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Re: Ranking search results based on IQ
« Reply #1 on: Jun 22nd, 2007, 7:21pm » |
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And what do you do with corporate content? More importantly, do you honestly believe that content created by (or linked by) people who score well on a standardized IQ test is inherently likely to be more valuable than content created by people who score only average? Because it seems to me that the tendency of the Internet toward egalitarianism is one of its great strengths.
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Re: Ranking search results based on IQ
« Reply #2 on: Jun 22nd, 2007, 8:30pm » |
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on Jun 22nd, 2007, 7:21pm, SMQ wrote:Because it seems to me that the tendency of the Internet toward egalitarianism is one of its great strengths.
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Is it really a strength? Imagine instead an internet that gives greater rewards to smarter people. What would it look like?
What would arguments in online discussion groups look like if we can filter out posts by less intelligent people?
Would we get more or less spam?
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Re: Ranking search results based on IQ
« Reply #3 on: Jun 22nd, 2007, 9:15pm » |
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How do you define a "less intelligent post". IQ of a person doesn't necessarily determine how intelligent his posting is...
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Re: Ranking search results based on IQ
« Reply #4 on: Jun 22nd, 2007, 9:19pm » |
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on Jun 22nd, 2007, 9:15pm, Sameer wrote:| How do you define a "less intelligent post". IQ of a person doesn't necessarily determine how intelligent his posting is... |
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See the literature on the g factor. It really does appear that people form a total order with respect to intelligence.
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Re: Ranking search results based on IQ
« Reply #5 on: Jun 23rd, 2007, 12:05am » |
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I think that what Sameer is saying is that the intelligence of a person need not be correlated with the amount of thought and time that goes into making a post. Just because somebody is intelligent doesn't mean that he will post things that are relevant to the discussion, promote further discussion, and aren't hastily constructed.
Besides, the practicalities of inputting an IQ test score into a search engine or ranking scheme are somewhat ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as flying a remote controlled model airplane over the internet.
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Re: Ranking search results based on IQ
« Reply #6 on: Jun 23rd, 2007, 5:55am » |
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on Jun 22nd, 2007, 6:55pm, amichail wrote:Instead of using PageRank, how about computing an "IQRank" that takes into account the IQs of people?
For example, you could consider the IQ of the creator of the site as well as the IQs of people who link to the site. |
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How would you define this rank (as formally as possible, please)?
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Re: Ranking search results based on IQ
« Reply #7 on: Jun 23rd, 2007, 7:06am » |
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I is teh sm@rt3r!!!one!
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Re: Ranking search results based on IQ
« Reply #8 on: Jun 23rd, 2007, 7:21am » |
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on Jun 23rd, 2007, 12:05am, Obob wrote: Just because somebody is intelligent doesn't mean that he will post things that are relevant to the discussion, promote further discussion, and aren't hastily constructed.
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You can find exceptions to everything. This is just a heuristic that may work well in practice.
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You could try to approximate it. For example, you could start by assigning the highest IQs to mathematicians, physicists, and theoretical computer scientists from famous universities and research labs. Then you might assume that they would associate mostly with smart people and give those people high IQs and so on.
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Re: Ranking search results based on IQ
« Reply #9 on: Jun 23rd, 2007, 9:19am » |
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I'm sure that all of these people associate with those who's IQs differ greatly from their own, plus there are people with a very high IQ which isn't reflected in their profession.
Also, what about the people who aren't associated with anyone else there? 
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Re: Ranking search results based on IQ
« Reply #10 on: Jun 23rd, 2007, 10:12am » |
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If I remember correctly, google sort of already "guesses" intelligence in the way you are now describing. Getting linked to from a .edu website dramatically increases your chance of being listed highly.
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Re: Ranking search results based on IQ
« Reply #11 on: Jun 23rd, 2007, 10:40am » |
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on Jun 23rd, 2007, 10:12am, Obob wrote:| If I remember correctly, google sort of already "guesses" intelligence in the way you are now describing. Getting linked to from a .edu website dramatically increases your chance of being listed highly. |
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Do you have any references?
As for "IQRank", I would guess that the result would be sort of like what you see on reddit.com, a social news service with more intelligent users than similar sites.
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Re: Ranking search results based on IQ
« Reply #12 on: Jun 23rd, 2007, 1:03pm » |
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No, I don't have a reference for that. I just remember being told this by a CS professor.
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Re: Ranking search results based on IQ
« Reply #13 on: Jun 23rd, 2007, 2:50pm » |
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IQ tests do not actually reflect a person's intelligence or even IQ for that fact. People are knowledgeable in different areas and respond differently to different situations. As for e.g. a person not good at math may be an exceptional painter. Would he score high on our current IQ tests?
I read the Pagerank paper long time ago so don't remember the specifics but it is more like a indicator of linking depths. How much a page is linked from other sites, etc. Which is why there was a recent news from google indicating how they are going to stop people from illegally linking to their sites using to artificially increase this linking score and hence their pagerank.
I think rmsgrey's post sums it up. Would you classify as a high IQ or low IQ post? That small sentence describes so much!!
I think the system of classification needs to be an adaptive neural network. When you join the discussion your "IQ" is lowest. As you contribute more to the discussion it rises based on the input you provide with relevance. If you can think up of devising a method of detecting this and updating the adaptive "IQ" rank system you can assign the IQ to that poster. Isn't this kind of gets similar to our forum where slowly you start at Newbie and rise to the level of "Uberpuzzler". Of course here it is entirely on the number of posts, but maybe you can adapt that to the relevancy of the posts.
Can you please summarize the "g factor" literature?
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Re: Ranking search results based on IQ
« Reply #15 on: Jun 24th, 2007, 7:36am » |
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*shakes head sorrowfully at the suggestion*
Really..
IQ is not particularly correlated with people knowing what they are talking about. They have to have actually researched it a bit, rather than be generally intelligent and have pulled an opinion from their ass.
Also, IQ is partly determined by age; it's supposed to represent one's mental age divided by one's physical age. Should I prefer the opinion of a ten year old with an IQ of 140 over that of a 40 year expert with an IQ of 110?
on Jun 23rd, 2007, 7:21am, amichail wrote:| You could try to approximate it. For example, you could start by assigning the highest IQs to mathematicians, physicists, and theoretical computer scientists from famous universities and research labs. |
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So, can that be taken to imply you consider professors in the humanities of inferior intellect? The mathy brain is the only real brain?
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Re: Ranking search results based on IQ
« Reply #16 on: Jun 24th, 2007, 9:30am » |
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on Jun 23rd, 2007, 2:50pm, Sameer wrote:| IQ tests do not actually reflect a person's intelligence or even IQ for that fact. |
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Doesn't that depend on how you define IQ?
The practical definition seems to be that IQ is whatever it is that IQ tests measure. How that links to actual intellect is an open question.
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Re: Ranking search results based on IQ
« Reply #17 on: Jun 24th, 2007, 9:36am » |
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on Jun 24th, 2007, 7:36am, towr wrote:
So, can that be taken to imply you consider professors in the humanities of inferior intellect? The mathy brain is the only real brain? |
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This is a complicated question. See for example:
http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2003/10.23/01-creativity.html
"We didn't find this," Carson notes. "We saw creativity increase as IQs climb to 130 (the average score of Harvard students), and even up to 150."
But even so, the humanities are likely not as competitive as mathematical fields.
So yes, I think the best way to identify high IQ individuals is to do a search as I have described. Sure, some people in the humanities may be super smart also, but being a humanities professor at a prestiguous institution would not imply this.
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Re: Ranking search results based on IQ
« Reply #19 on: Jun 24th, 2007, 11:15am » |
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on Jun 24th, 2007, 9:36am, amichail wrote:| Sure, some people in the humanities may be super smart also, but being a humanities professor at a prestiguous institution would not imply this. |
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...and being a math professor at a prestigious institution would?
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Re: Ranking search results based on IQ
« Reply #21 on: Jun 24th, 2007, 12:11pm » |
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Seems like a bit of a prejudice..
Of course the really intelligent people are in artificial intelligence; cause that's where I am. 
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Re: Ranking search results based on IQ
« Reply #22 on: Jun 24th, 2007, 12:34pm » |
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It may not be the case that a humanities professor is the best person to ask about some technical or mathematical question. Even being a math person, though, I would very much disagree with the statement that math/sciences people are a priori smarter than humanities people. Especially when it comes to talking about established professors at well-known universities. Just because somebody doesn't know how to solve a differential equation or something doesn't mean that their grasp of other concepts like philosophical theories, languages, and so on and so forth does not compensate for this.
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Re: Ranking search results based on IQ
« Reply #23 on: Jun 24th, 2007, 10:45pm » |
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on Jun 24th, 2007, 12:11pm, towr wrote:| Seems like a bit of a prejudice.. |
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Agree. But afterall, it depends on how do define "smart people".
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Re: Ranking search results based on IQ
« Reply #24 on: Jun 25th, 2007, 1:15am » |
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on Jun 24th, 2007, 10:45pm, Barukh wrote:| Agree. But afterall, it depends on how do define "smart people". |
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Yes, I suspect there is always a tendency to consider people that don't know what you are talking about as stupid (even if you don't understand what they're talking about either).
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