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Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
« on: Sep 26th, 2007, 4:35am » |
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Are the numbers on the right side of the table part of the original spreadsheet, or did you add those?
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Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
« Reply #1 on: Sep 26th, 2007, 9:33am » |
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Could we have some background of where these numbers come from?
To me it looks like a lottery. There are 350 draws. Each draw produces one digit. The digits are tabulated in a way to show which number comes out the most. The sums at the right are nonsense in my opinion.
In short, if these are the results of a lottery, (which would explain why you are ready to pay $70), forget it. There is no way to predict what will happen.
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Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
« Reply #2 on: Sep 26th, 2007, 3:02pm » |
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Yeah, the formulas on the right appeared to be just random sums and averages. If you're trying to predict a future lottery, I think you should offer a little more than $70. 
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Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
« Reply #3 on: Sep 27th, 2007, 1:22am » |
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On the right, you have the sum of the row, and the sum of all the same rows across tables. If the tabulated numbers are draw numbers, It is nonsense to compute these sums.
The gray areas seem to compare an "ideal" 100 draws where each digit appears 10 times and a real draw where the frequencies differ randomly.
Only if the draws are made electronically and with a very simple random generator there is a chance to explain the sequence.
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Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
« Reply #4 on: Sep 27th, 2007, 1:50am » |
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I add that while trying to calculate the numbers...on Sep 26th, 2007, 4:35am, FiBsTeR wrote:| Are the numbers on the right side of the table part of the original spreadsheet, or did you add those? |
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Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
« Reply #5 on: Sep 27th, 2007, 2:01am » |
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It's just a puzzle my friend gave me, which I think the numbers have very artistic formation.
I put bet US$ 100 to my friend that nobody can solve this..
on Sep 26th, 2007, 9:33am, Grimbal wrote:Could we have some background of where these numbers come from?
To me it looks like a lottery. There are 351 draws. Each draw produces one digit. The digits are tabulated in a way to show which number comes out the most. The sums at the right are nonsense in my opinion.
In short, if these are the results of a lottery, (which would explain why you are ready to pay $70), forget it. There is no way to predict what will happen. |
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Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
« Reply #6 on: Sep 27th, 2007, 2:03am » |
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So if we solve it, you loose $170?
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Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
« Reply #7 on: Sep 27th, 2007, 5:49am » |
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In case it turns out to have some relevance to the puzzle, would you mind if I asked what country/culture your friend and you are from?
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Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
« Reply #8 on: Sep 27th, 2007, 11:59pm » |
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Both of us, I and my friend, were born in Bali, Indonesia. There's no lottery in Indonesia, it's illegal here.
on Sep 27th, 2007, 5:49am, SMQ wrote:In case it turns out to have some relevance to the puzzle, would you mind if I asked what country/culture your friend and you are from?
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Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
« Reply #9 on: Sep 28th, 2007, 12:01am » |
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Yuup, I am ready for it, win $ 100 or loose $ 170. It's just for fun..
on Sep 27th, 2007, 2:03am, Grimbal wrote:| So if we solve it, you loose $170? |
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Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
« Reply #10 on: Sep 28th, 2007, 7:20am » |
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Does your friend claim to have a solution that makes sense?
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Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
« Reply #11 on: Sep 28th, 2007, 7:23am » |
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Are the tables seperate puzzles, or do they all go together.
Maybe there's a function F:   {1, .. , 10} for each of the tables.
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Wikipedia, Google, Mathworld, Integer sequence DB
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Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
« Reply #12 on: Sep 28th, 2007, 7:43am » |
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The tables boil down to 20 sequences of 350 digits.
If it is not a lottery, it could be something like the San Jose Semaphore Puzzle.
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Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
« Reply #13 on: Sep 29th, 2007, 12:15am » |
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I don't know either. We're not genius enough to find the solution, that's why we put this thread here, and make a $ 100 gambling on it..
on Sep 28th, 2007, 7:23am, towr wrote:Are the tables seperate puzzles, or do they all go together.
Maybe there's a function F: {1, .. , 10} for each of the tables. |
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Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
« Reply #14 on: Sep 29th, 2007, 1:24pm » |
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Table 2, row 3, there is 2 times the number 292. Is it intentional?
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Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
« Reply #16 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 12:12am » |
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It was mis-typed, 262 and 292
on Sep 29th, 2007, 1:24pm, Grimbal wrote:Table 2, row 3, there is 2 times the number 292. Is it intentional?
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Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
« Reply #17 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 12:18am » |
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And many other forums. Remark only the first one find the answers shall be rewarded US $ 70.
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Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
« Reply #18 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 7:43am » |
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There is no 278 or 279 in Table 3.
Did you copy it down from paper or did you make up the tables yourself?
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Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
« Reply #19 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 11:55pm » |
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278 at row 7 column 24, 279 at row 3 column 26.
I typed it to Microsoft Excel from the paper, so it could be few mis-typed..
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Re: Numbers in Tables (Reward US $ 70)
« Reply #20 on: Nov 18th, 2007, 12:37am » |
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I need to write again here what I’ve been doing to this puzzle, though this had been written partly in other forum. I assume you guys have seen the file sept09A.xls.
I’m not a puzzle mania, this puzzle just disturbs my mind. So to those whoever interested in this puzzle, I THINK the tables in my explanation below are the “keys” of this puzzle because:
1).Their shapes are quite different from other tables, where numbers 1 to 40 are only in certain rows. Especially in Table 45, numbers 1 to 40 are only in rows 1 & 10. (This can also approve that this is not a random case. Do you guys agree with that?). Meanwhile for other tables, numbers 1 to 40 spread almost in rows 1 to 10.
2).These tables have similar shapes each other.
E.g:
Table 45 has similar shape with Table 49 & Table 53.
Table 57 has similar shape with Table 61 & Table 65.
Here below I think tables that have similar shapes:
45,57,69,81,93,105,117,129,141,153,165,177,189,201,213,225,237,249,261,2 73.
with
49,61,73,85,97,109,121,133,145,157,169,181,193,205,217,229,241,253,265,2 77.
and
53,65,77,89,101,113,125,137,149,161,173,185,197,209,221,233,245,257,269, 281.
These tables “themselves” look similar.
E.g:
Table 49 looks similar with Table 169.
Table 73 looks similar with Table 193.
Here below I think tables look similar:
49,73,97,121,145,53,77,101,125,149,57,81,105,129,153,61,85,109,133,157,6 5,89,113,137,161,69,93,117,141,45
with
169,193,217,241,265,173,197,221,245,269,177,201,225,249,273,181,205,229, 253,277,185,209,233,257,281,189,213,237,261,165
Next time I’ll try to explain more details about the gray areas (my approaching method) as shown in Table 1, sheet #1, file sept09A.xls.
Yeah, for its big sizes, this puzzle is really tough. Needs geniuses to crack it, at least above averages…
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