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rank and column space of a matrix  
« on: May 27th, 2004, 6:48am »
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a) suppose that A is a 3*3 matrix whose nullspace is a line thorugh the origin in R3. Can the row or column space of A also be a line through the origin? ExplaiN
 
b) If A is a 6*4 matrix such that the system Ax=0 has a non-trivial solution, what is the largest possible value of rank (A)? explaiN
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Re: rank and column space of a matrix  
« Reply #1 on: May 27th, 2004, 9:00am »
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Your punctuation is rather poor. You should write "Explain!"
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Re: rank and column space of a matrix  
« Reply #2 on: May 27th, 2004, 11:10am »
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on May 27th, 2004, 9:00am, THUDandBLUNDER wrote:

Your punctuation is rather poor. You should write "Explain!"

Your punctuation is almost as poor. You should have written...
 
Your punctuation is rather poor. You should write, "Explain!"  Grin
 
 
Nikki, I'm afraid that I don't understand the question. I thought that the null space is the set of vectors, v, that solve the equation, Av = 0. How can a vector be a line through the origin? Perhaps one of our resident experts in Linear Algebra can assist.
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Re: rank and column space of a matrix  
« Reply #3 on: May 27th, 2004, 7:57pm »
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One vector cannot be a line. However a "set of vectors" can be a line! The nullspace is presumably exactly the set Sir Col identified - though it is more often called the "kernal". This set is easily seen to be closed under addition and scalar multiplication, so it must be a vector space itself. Therefore it must consist of the origin alone, or a line through the origin, or a plane through the origin, or all of space.
 
In this case, we are given that it is a line, which means that the matrix A has exactly two linearly independent rows or columns.
 
This is the best I can tell you though, because the terminology "Row or column space" is not one I have ever heard before. What do you mean by these?
 
As for (b), the equation is: Rank + dimension of kernal (nullspace) = Dimension of the domain.
 
Since Ax = 0 has a non-trivial solution, what is the smallest dimension possible of the nullspace?
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« Reply #4 on: May 27th, 2004, 11:23pm »
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The row/column space is the span of the rows/columns.  These spaces have the same dimension, which is the rank of the matrix.  The dimension of the nullspace is called the nullity.
 
Nikki, to relate the rank and nullity of a matrix, there is a theorem called, conveniently enough, the "rank-nullity theorem", and for an m x n matrtix, tells you that rank A + nullity A = n.
 
So, if the nullspace is a line, then its dimension is what?  Then what is the rank, i.e., dimension of the row or column space?  Can they be lines?
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Re: rank and column space of a matrix  
« Reply #5 on: May 29th, 2004, 3:24am »
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...though it is more often called the "kernal".

...but not outside of Kansas - 'round these here parts it goes by the name of 'kernel'.   Tongue
 
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