On 8 Feb 1998, Daniel C. Burton wrote: >This probably means Mayor Dean is also less libertarian on social issues. >Specifically, I know she supported an anti-pan-handling ordinance which >limited the freedom of speech. (Definitely agree that conservative != libertarian, but) So you are in favor of people violating a business owner's property rights by restricting his right to evict loiterers who are driving off business? It bites both ways. I'm not sure of the current status of panhandling in Berkeley, nor do I know what exactly the ordinance would have done, but in most cases, the property line goes to the street. If someone is pan handling two feet outside of blondie's, they are probably trespassing. Free speech is a very over-used argument for trespassing. It comes down to whether these "semi-public" areas are public, and free speech applies, or private, and property rights apply. You can't, under current law, evict petitioners or proselitizers from a mall. How about [harrassing patrons/exercising free speech] inside the store itself? People's rights do conflict. It's not a case of "this law restricts a right", but "this law unreasonably restricts a right without protecting another important right". -- peterson@autobahn.org (preferred) http://www.autobahn.org/~peterson