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« on: Sep 11th, 2007, 8:17pm » |
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Some people believe it, some don't. There are also different beliefs about what abilities it includes. Let the debate begin with the next post.
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Re: telekinesis
« Reply #1 on: Sep 11th, 2007, 11:29pm » |
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Wouldn't it be more prudent to begin the debate with the first post?
There is no shred of evidence for telekinesis, nor any plausible mechanism that would allow it in modern science. I can't see why people insist on taking it seriously; it's great for fantasy and sci-fi stories, but it doesn't deserve serious consideration.
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Re: telekinesis
« Reply #2 on: Sep 11th, 2007, 11:44pm » |
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Erm... I thought we would leave this topic unanswered!! Or any of his questions in other threads!! Until he becomes legible, polite or grows up another 10 years or so!! This post will self destruct in about 12 hours!!!
Edit: The bomb squad came and diffused the self destruct sequence!! 
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Re: telekinesis
« Reply #3 on: Sep 12th, 2007, 2:57am » |
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Well, Sameer, since towr had already answered, let's invade the topic, and discuss something else !! 
Umm, let's see, how are things in the US, any Sept 11 memorial celebrations going on ?
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Re: telekinesis
« Reply #4 on: Sep 12th, 2007, 3:01am » |
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on Sep 12th, 2007, 2:57am, JiNbOtAk wrote:Well, Sameer, since towr had already answered, let's invade the topic, and discuss something else !!
Umm, let's see, how are things in the US, any Sept 11 memorial celebrations going on ? |
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Do you think they are actually celebrating or did it just come out badly? But yes, how does America remember September 11? For me, I celebrate my best friends B'day. So I guess I celebrate.
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Re: telekinesis
« Reply #5 on: Sep 12th, 2007, 3:05am » |
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on Sep 12th, 2007, 3:01am, mikedagr8 wrote:| Do you think they are actually celebrating or did it just come out badly? |
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Okay, so celebration isn't exactly the best word to use. Maybe commemoration ( whatever that means ) ?
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Re: telekinesis
« Reply #6 on: Sep 12th, 2007, 3:07am » |
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Yes, that means to remember. That is the word I think you were after. In Australia, we don't exactly have the 'whole shebang' but at my school we did have a one minute of silence to commemorate the tragedy.
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Re: telekinesis
« Reply #7 on: Sep 12th, 2007, 3:16am » |
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on Sep 12th, 2007, 3:07am, mikedagr8 wrote:| In Australia, we don't exactly have the 'whole shebang' but at my school we did have a one minute of silence to commemorate the tragedy. |
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If 9/11 had happened in Australia (or anywhere else outside USA) do you think they would have minutes of silence in USA?
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Re: telekinesis
« Reply #8 on: Sep 12th, 2007, 3:24am » |
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on Sep 12th, 2007, 3:16am, ThudanBlunder wrote:
If 9/11 had happened in Australia (or anywhere else outside USA) do you think they would have had minutes of silence in USA?
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GOD NO!!! This is America, "All for us, and none for all". I don't believe that they honestly would if an event of similar tragedy occured outside America, they would give as much respect to those who lost their lives as other countries do.
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Re: telekinesis
« Reply #9 on: Sep 12th, 2007, 5:13am » |
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on Sep 12th, 2007, 3:16am, ThudanBlunder wrote:| If 9/11 had happened in Australia (or anywhere else outside USA) do you think they would have had minutes of silence in USA? |
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I'm only one U.S.-ian -- and one of the first to admit that many of my countrymen seem to be unreasonably insular (at best) -- but I would like to think that had an unprovoked attack on a similar scale happened in another country not normally associated with terrorist activity, that it would be commerated here. Had Al Queda instead targeted Canary Wharf or World Square, for instance, I would like to think it would still be remembered here, yes.
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Re: telekinesis
« Reply #10 on: Sep 12th, 2007, 6:10am » |
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Of course, it is not a Yes/No question and more a question of degree.
I personally suspect that 6 years on there would be few silent remembrances in US.
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Re: telekinesis
« Reply #11 on: Sep 12th, 2007, 9:14am » |
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Personally I celebrate my best friend's birthday too!! However it is a general day where most of the silence or mourning happens on news!! Maybe on Ground zero there might be more things going on! Most of the people went about their daily life!!!
on Sep 12th, 2007, 3:16am, ThudanBlunder wrote:
If 9/11 had happened in Australia (or anywhere else outside USA) do you think they would have minutes of silence in USA?
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I doubt it unless it had some drastic things. Terrorism is not new. There have been terror attacks by Al-Qaeda and other rogue terrorist groups since 80s as far as I can remember. As for e.g. how many here remember the date when around 200 people died in a bomb blast in Bali? Or Madrid Train bombing? Or Bombay Train Bombing?
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Re: telekinesis
« Reply #12 on: Sep 12th, 2007, 11:07am » |
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on Sep 12th, 2007, 3:24am, mikedagr8 wrote:
GOD NO!!! This is America, "All for us, and none for all". I don't believe that they honestly would if an event of similar tragedy occured outside America, they would give a as much respect to those who lost their lives as other countries do. |
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it seems that Americans are pretty selfish in general... no offense to anyone though.
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Re: telekinesis
« Reply #13 on: Sep 12th, 2007, 12:24pm » |
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on Sep 12th, 2007, 11:07am, hiyathere wrote:
it seems that Americans are pretty selfish in general... |
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Not really. But they ain't called US for nothing. Anyway, a journalist once asked four students (from Europe, Africa, USA, and China) a simple question: "What is your personal opinion of the international food shortage?" Not one of them could provide an answer. They replied:
European student: What is a shortage?
African student: What is food?
USA student: What is 'international'?
Chinese student: What is a personal opinion?
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Re: telekinesis
« Reply #14 on: Sep 12th, 2007, 2:12pm » |
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on Sep 12th, 2007, 9:14am, Sameer wrote:| Maybe on Ground zero there might be more things going on! |
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You'd think so, but they only let a few people even approach Ground Zero and those were a select group of relatives of the people who died. I've found that people in Manhattan barely even notice the passing of 9-11 anymore. Maybe they want to forget, but it seems a little callous to me.
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Re: telekinesis
« Reply #15 on: Sep 12th, 2007, 4:49pm » |
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on Sep 12th, 2007, 3:24am, mikedagr8 wrote:
GOD NO!!! This is America, "All for us, and none for all". I don't believe that they honestly would if an event of similar tragedy occured outside America, they would give a as much respect to those who lost their lives as other countries do. |
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Hey, the schools all had a moment of silence on the aniversary of the London train bombings. Admittedly, yes, we often focus on ourselves, but a fair majority of us actually care about what happens in the rest of the world, it is just the really extreme idiots who get on TV and such. Thank you guys for your support... I know people who lost family members in the attack and I know they appreciate your respect to. Very, very sad day, and some of the bravest people I've ever seen are the NYPD and the Firefighters who went in to rescue people even when they knew the towers were going to come down at any moment. RIP.
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Re: telekinesis
« Reply #16 on: Sep 12th, 2007, 8:36pm » |
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on Sep 11th, 2007, 11:44pm, Sameer wrote:Erm... I thought we would leave this topic unanswered!! Or any of his questions in other threads!! Until he becomes legible, polite or grows up another 10 years or so!! This post will self destruct in about 12 hours!!!
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If this post self-destructs, I'm going to be the one to take it down. Anyway, in case you haven't found this link http://www.wingmakers.co.nz/Teleportation.html in a previously posted post, well here it is. Read it and begin the debate(about telekinesis, not 9/11).
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Re: telekinesis
« Reply #17 on: Sep 12th, 2007, 8:41pm » |
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Maybe you are confused!!
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Re: telekinesis
« Reply #18 on: Sep 12th, 2007, 8:46pm » |
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ROFL!!!
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Re: telekinesis
« Reply #19 on: Sep 12th, 2007, 8:49pm » |
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ROFL? Have you people read the web site link(and its links)?
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Re: telekinesis
« Reply #20 on: Sep 12th, 2007, 9:02pm » |
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on Sep 12th, 2007, 8:49pm, srn347 wrote:| ROFL? Have you people read the web site link(and its links)? |
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ROFL=Rolling on Floor Laughing
I looked at it, but when it said that an energy portal should look like the picture, well, shouldn't it be different for everyone? So there was no point continuing.
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Re: telekinesis
« Reply #21 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 12:35am » |
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srn347, I posted some questions relating to telekinesis in another thread which you seemed to ignore, so I'll post them again...
on Sep 11th, 2007, 12:14am, Sir Col wrote:Just to clarify, psychokinesis is the process of manipulating matter by the power of the mind; such as, bending spoons, teleportation, and so on. Telekinesis is one aspect of psychokinesis which involves moving matter.
srn347, I am genuinely interested in hearing a coherent response on this subject, so I would be interested in your thoughts on the following three questions relating to telekinesis...
1) Think about a game of snooker. The blue ball moved because it was struck by the cue ball. The cue ball moved because it was struck by the cue. And so on. If the result of telekinesis is moving an object, then what is its immediate antecedent?
2) If we trace back the chain of causes and effects, where did it originate? That is, what was the first occurrence of physical activity?
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I think you queried the word "antecedent". It means the event, or cause, that occurred immediately before. You also said, "The mind is what is used, but not so much thought." Would the thoughts not be necessary to at least initiate the process, and ultimately focus the "energy"? Otherwise people's subconscious minds would be causing telekinesis haphazardly and outside of our control.
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Re: telekinesis
« Reply #22 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 5:22am » |
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How many of you believe in telekinesis? Raise my hand. Funny one I just recieved from friend.
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Re: telekinesis
« Reply #23 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 4:38pm » |
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Thoughts aren't usually used, one the other hand, visualization and stuff are.
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Re: telekinesis
« Reply #24 on: Sep 15th, 2007, 6:33am » |
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But where does your visualisation take place? In the mind? Is that not a thought?
How does this internal desire to move an object grow? Surely it must be conceived in your mind as you "think" about it, then where does it go to? How does this visualisation extend to interact with the target object? In other words, and back to my "chain of cause and effect" question, at what point does the visualisation first become physical so that it ultimately possess the capacity to move an object?
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