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ThudnBlunder
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Re: spring cleaning?
« Reply #50 on: Sep 25th, 2007, 2:16am » |
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on Sep 25th, 2007, 2:04am, mikedagr8 wrote:But now I truly am fed up with the sh*t he is posting.
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His last 10 posts seem to be reasonable.
Let's not stir things up unnecessarily, eh?
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Re: spring cleaning?
« Reply #51 on: Sep 25th, 2007, 2:42am » |
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on Sep 25th, 2007, 2:04am, mikedagr8 wrote:| I personally have made a major effort (in my own opinion), and have cut down my baiting. |
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As I mentioned ealier, I was clearly not around when he was making awkward and antagonistic posts. But because I've seen nothing recently that fits this anti-social profile it would suggest that he has also made a major effort.
If as a result of this thread he reacted aggressively and unpleasantly then there would be just grounds for a ban/delete. However, he seems to have done the opposite and made a concerted effort. Call me an old softy, but I admire someone who can remain dignified in the face of such criticism; I don't think I would have handled a thread like this as well as he has. We all do regretable things, and if he wants to change his ways and make himself a part of this forum then we need to give him a second chance.
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Re: spring cleaning?
« Reply #52 on: Sep 25th, 2007, 2:51am » |
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OK, I was a little tempered after reading some of the things he has posted when trying to get down to the continuation of a thread.
Still, I won't say he hasn't improved, he has improved, no doubt. But I'm a little anxious to see what is being done.
I do believe that giving him increasing oportunities to change is a good thing, but at a certain point, there is no more chances that can be given. If a trained, and normally well behaved dog attacks someone, and is then retrained not to attack, but later on gores someone, the dog is put down. There are no exceptions.
I'm just wondering when is his last and final opportunity to redeem himself over, or is it an on-going thing.
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Re: spring cleaning?
« Reply #53 on: Sep 25th, 2007, 4:53am » |
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You can spot those of us who work with kids...
Sir Col, I was also absent at the start of the troubles, but spent a little while (upon my return) going through the saga.
I think Grimble put is best as "noisy", but in quite a startling sense. Much of the issue is the swift and terrible responses that members have used.
Swift and terrible in a few senses...
There are those of us who nobly tries to educate the fellow, but were essentially ignored at every turn.
Such effort, such finesse, such gilded postings to be scorned is indeed frustrating...
(Just think of the rougher GCSE kids)
Patience wore thin, and there was a spot of intellectual rapier-ing. Unfortunately, it went unnonticed by the intended target, and rapidly dissolved into International Chip Pan Fighting.
All in all, an undesirable situation not handled particularly well by us (the community).
It's getting better,partly through srn being better, partly through some of the more eager members (you know who you are) managing to lend a bit of leniency.
one day at time, though.
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Re: spring cleaning?
« Reply #54 on: Sep 25th, 2007, 6:55am » |
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on Sep 25th, 2007, 2:51am, mikedagr8 wrote:If a trained, and normally well behaved dog attacks someone, and is then retrained not to attack, but later on gores someone, the dog is put down. There are no exceptions.
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An unintentionally humorous analogy, but obviously srn347 has not yet been trained.
So I don't think it is fair to put him down just yet.
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Re: spring cleaning?
« Reply #55 on: Sep 26th, 2007, 8:55pm » |
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on Sep 25th, 2007, 4:53am, Noke Lieu wrote:
All in all, an undesirable situation not handled particularly well by us (the community).
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On the contrary, I think we've been quite patient.
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Re: spring cleaning?
« Reply #56 on: Sep 26th, 2007, 8:57pm » |
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Double posting again? And you have the audacity to say that I need to be trained.
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Re: spring cleaning?
« Reply #57 on: Sep 26th, 2007, 9:02pm » |
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on Sep 26th, 2007, 8:57pm, srn347 wrote:| Double posting again? And you have the audacity to say that I need to be trained. |
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Hehe... it's working! He can now spell "audacity"... who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks? Maybe for the next feat he could play dead? 
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Re: spring cleaning?
« Reply #58 on: Sep 26th, 2007, 9:06pm » |
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on Sep 26th, 2007, 8:57pm, srn347 wrote:| Double posting again? And you have the audacity to say that I need to be trained. |
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Double? What are you whingeing about now, sonny? Anyway, you have famously proved that 2 = 1
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Re: spring cleaning?
« Reply #59 on: Sep 26th, 2007, 9:15pm » |
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Which means you quadruple posted! Anyway, moderators should know this.
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Re: spring cleaning?
« Reply #60 on: Sep 26th, 2007, 9:21pm » |
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on Sep 26th, 2007, 9:15pm, srn347 wrote:| Anyway, moderators should know this. |
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I already know. Just wipe your snotty nose and behave yourself, that's a good boy.
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Re: spring cleaning?
« Reply #61 on: Sep 26th, 2007, 9:23pm » |
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Sometimes I wonder what logic gate you come from? Probably the NOT gate.
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Re: spring cleaning?
« Reply #62 on: Sep 26th, 2007, 9:53pm » |
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on Sep 26th, 2007, 9:02pm, ima1trkpny wrote:
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.. his very next role. He'll be quite convincing, I assure you. (said using James Mason's voice)
Yes, TnB, the community has be patient with this patient.
I shamefully admit to gleefully checking out the responses to the wittering, and you have had some masterful replies.
The catch is though, that none of it seems to have worked. srn347 is still being frustrated and frustrating.
Now that I think about it, I suspect that "noisy" isn't the best descriptor. Other members who have come and gone have fitted the "noisy" category better- srn347 feels more... egregious, malicious and unrepentant in his posting. I just can't tell if it's intentional or not.
I mean look at that one above this... It's pathetic, acrimonous and above all unfunny.
As a friend of mine used to say- and srn347, this isn't an insult (more like advice)- don't get into a battle of wits when you're so obivously unarmed.
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Re: spring cleaning?
« Reply #63 on: Sep 27th, 2007, 1:21am » |
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on Sep 26th, 2007, 8:57pm, srn347 wrote:| Double posting again? And you have the audacity to say that I need to be trained. |
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Oh, double posts. You mean you wouldn't do something hypocritical like this (reply 36 & 37)?
I ask again. What is being done. He has gone back to his old ways, and so something seriously must be done.
As suggested above, banning him would be helpful. I suggest IP + username. Save us the trouble of ever worrying who it is. I hope. 
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Re: spring cleaning?
« Reply #64 on: Sep 27th, 2007, 3:30am » |
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on Sep 27th, 2007, 1:21am, mikedagr8 wrote:| I ask again. What is being done. He has gone back to his old ways, and so something seriously must be done. |
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With due respect, Mike, that's not your call. You are a) relatively new here, and b) relatively young.
Despite the "vote" above leaning heavily to "For", several respected members made arguments for forbearance, and it seems they were sufficiently persuasive that none of the moderators has actually taken the step of contacting William yet -- I know I haven't. If things continue as they have been, I'm sure one of us will send that email "soon enough".
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Re: spring cleaning?
« Reply #65 on: Sep 27th, 2007, 3:39am » |
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Thankyou.
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Re: spring cleaning?
« Reply #66 on: Sep 27th, 2007, 4:07am » |
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on Sep 27th, 2007, 1:21am, mikedagr8 wrote:
Yes, this sort of glitch tends to happen when someone sits there impatiently pressing the Refresh button every 10 seconds, to see if anyone has responded to their posts. It's no big deal. All he had to do was delete his original post and repost it right after mine.
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Re: spring cleaning?
« Reply #67 on: Oct 2nd, 2007, 11:11am » |
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Did anyone contact William yet? Or has the idea been dropped?
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Re: spring cleaning?
« Reply #68 on: Oct 2nd, 2007, 7:14pm » |
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Odd, I don't usually check here and never saw this, but I'm all for a ban if there's still a vote; he's been given more than ample time to change his behavior.
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Re: spring cleaning?
« Reply #69 on: Oct 2nd, 2007, 10:02pm » |
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When I wrote the above, having been up all night grading math problem sets, I found his particular brand of nonsense too infuriating to think rationally, so I basically wanted to get an idea of where people stood on the issue. Now, I think I've just come to accept it as the cost of being on the internet.
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Re: spring cleaning?
« Reply #70 on: Oct 3rd, 2007, 3:25am » |
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On the flip side, for those of you still wondering how it came to this, this thread is entirely typical of the kind of nonsense towr deleted. As Londo Mollari once said: "Arrogance and stupidity all in the same package; how very efficient of [him]." 
[edit]I'm also hoping it's just coincidence that we haven't heard from WTF since this post; if we're losing respected members of these forums over this teentwirp's ramblings I'm going to be seriously pissed off.[/edit]
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Re: spring cleaning?
« Reply #71 on: Oct 3rd, 2007, 3:31am » |
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I think there may have been a better example than that, but is sums it up nicely.
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Re: spring cleaning?
« Reply #72 on: Oct 3rd, 2007, 1:34pm » |
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on Oct 2nd, 2007, 10:02pm, Eigenray wrote:| When I wrote the above, having been up all night grading math problem sets, I found his particular brand of nonsense too infuriating to think rationally, so I basically wanted to get an idea of where people stood on the issue. Now, I think I've just come to accept it as the cost of being on the internet. |
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I don't think we _have_ to bear that cost.
The cost of deleting his prolific rubbish is probably much more than the cost of just banning him.
Besides, I don't see how banning is "cruel". He still gets to browse the forums. He only does not get to pollute it. People have tried to talk sense into him many times, but he just does not listen. I think he is beyond repair (others might not agree with this).
I am completely sober and I am FOR banning. I think we have enough grounds to do just that.
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Re: spring cleaning?
« Reply #73 on: Oct 3rd, 2007, 6:30pm » |
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I seriously think most, if not all, of the members here are patient and understanding. If anything, it takes quite a bit to rile any of us up. ( most of us try to brush off 'offensive' posts in a humourous way. Grimby is a master of this. )
However, when a certain member kept on posting annoying, disrespectful remark, without considering the effects on other members of the forum, then something definitely needs to be done. As Eigenray pointed out, it is something that we have to bear, being on the net. To me, a bearable member would someone like puzzlecracker, or maybe thecow135 / CowsRUs. srn347 had gone beyond that, some of his comments had members trying hard not to bang their keyboard on their monitor, wishing it was his head.
Granted, there had been some improvements in the quality of his posts ( albeit reminding, cajoling, and in some cases, out right threatening ), but it had gone back to the same old pattern. Most regulars had voiced out their opinion, either for banning him, or simply deleting the annoying posts would suffice. ( ignoring the dude is just not working ) I, for one, am for banning, and not just because of his annoying post. SMQ's post regarding WTF's MIA is a good example of the long term effects of this problem.
Again, mods, we leave it in your hands to take the best course of action.
Oh, and we wouldn't mind it in the least if you guys could share with us the decision that you guys came up with.
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Re: spring cleaning?
« Reply #74 on: Oct 3rd, 2007, 7:11pm » |
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But if you ban me, because i am so clever, I will find many more ways of showing you that I am smarter than u.
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