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Re: Casino Bus
« Reply #25 on: Feb 4th, 2007, 1:29pm » |
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on Feb 4th, 2007, 12:57pm, Icarus wrote:To summarize:
(1) The bus leaves Newark with exactly 15 passengers.
(2) No one gets off or gets on anywhere before arriving in Atlantic City, except at the first stop.
(3) At the first stop, exactly 10 people get off, and exactly 5 get on.
(4) No one was born on the bus or by other means somehow spontaneously came into being on the bus.
(5) When it arrives at Atlantic City, 15 passengers get off the bus.
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Your summary is almost entirely correct exept that one of the points makes an assumption not mentionned in the riddle and is therefore incorrect.
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Re: Casino Bus
« Reply #26 on: Feb 4th, 2007, 2:51pm » |
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(1) The bus leaves Newark with exactly 15 passengers.
on Feb 4th, 2007, 12:12pm, denis wrote:| The bus left Newark with 15 on board and arrived at the first stop with 15 on board. |
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(2) No one gets off or gets on anywhere before arriving in Atlantic City, except at the first stop.
on Feb 4th, 2007, 12:12pm, denis wrote:| ...arrived at the first stop with 15 on board. |
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on Feb 4th, 2007, 10:04am, denis wrote:| In this riddle no passengers, original ones or otherwise got on, or back on the bus after the first stop since its departure from Newark. |
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(3) At the first stop, exactly 10 people get off, and exactly 5 get on.
on Feb 3rd, 2007, 11:18am, denis wrote:| At the first stop, 10 passengers left the bus but only of these 5 people got back on...No other passengers embarked on the bus at this or other stops |
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(4) No one was born on the bus or by other means somehow spontaneously came into being on the bus.
on Feb 3rd, 2007, 11:51am, Padfoot wrote:
Were 5 babies born then? 
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on Feb 3rd, 2007, 11:54am, denis wrote:
on Feb 3rd, 2007, 4:15pm, Icarus wrote:| Did anyone get on at places other than the stops? |
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on Feb 3rd, 2007, 4:18pm, denis wrote:
on Feb 3rd, 2007, 8:32pm, denis wrote:That would explain things except for the fact that the intended answer does not involve aliens, time machines or teletransportation....
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(5) When it arrives at Atlantic City, 15 passengers get off the bus.
on Feb 3rd, 2007, 11:18am, denis wrote:| when the bus arrived in Atlantic City, 15 passengers got off the bus. |
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Admittedly, my quotes for (2) allow more people to get off, but that would just make count at Atlantic City even harder to justify. (4) might allow some other means of passenger creation than the ones mentioned, but that is getting ridiculous.
Perhaps "passengers" does not mean "people" to you? Did the passengers make puppets of some sort that are now getting counted as passengers?
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Re: Casino Bus
« Reply #27 on: Feb 4th, 2007, 2:59pm » |
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Also, we have to incorporate the location into the problem. However, I don't see a solution that involves New Jersey, casinos, or the Atlantic Ocean or anything else. 
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Re: Casino Bus
« Reply #28 on: Feb 4th, 2007, 3:11pm » |
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on Feb 4th, 2007, 12:57pm, Icarus wrote:To summarize:
(2) No one gets off or gets on anywhere before arriving in Atlantic City, except at the first stop.
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How did you arrive at this conclusion? Nowhere in the riddle or my other comments is mentionned that no one gets OFF after the first stop. Only that no one gets ON the bus after the first stop since its departure from Newark.
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Re: Casino Bus
« Reply #29 on: Feb 4th, 2007, 3:19pm » |
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on Feb 4th, 2007, 2:59pm, Padfoot wrote:| Also, we have to incorporate the location into the problem. However, I don't see a solution that involves New Jersey, casinos, or the Atlantic Ocean or anything else. |
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The riddle is somewhat location dependant if we use it in a real context rather than in a ficticious setting. Seing as I wanted a realistic setting, I made sure this riddle works for the Newark to Atlantic City bus routes and it also works on many other bus routes but not all bus routes will work.
Having said all of this, I will now stick to yes and no answers.
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Re: Casino Bus
« Reply #30 on: Feb 4th, 2007, 3:19pm » |
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on Feb 4th, 2007, 3:11pm, denis wrote:| How did you arrive at this conclusion? Nowhere in the riddle or my other comments is mentionned that no one gets OFF after the first stop. Only that no one gets ON the bus after the first stop since its departure from Newark. |
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on Feb 4th, 2007, 2:51pm, Icarus wrote:| Admittedly, my quotes for (2) allow more people to get off, but that would just make count at Atlantic City even harder to justify. |
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So. You start with 15, lose 5, then lose some more, and this somehow gets you back to 15 at the end??
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Re: Casino Bus
« Reply #31 on: Feb 4th, 2007, 3:23pm » |
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Re: Casino Bus
« Reply #32 on: Feb 4th, 2007, 3:28pm » |
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on Feb 4th, 2007, 2:51pm, Icarus wrote:
Perhaps "passengers" does not mean "people" to you? Did the passengers make puppets of some sort that are now getting counted as passengers?
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No. passengers mean real people.
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Re: Casino Bus
« Reply #33 on: Feb 4th, 2007, 3:29pm » |
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Is the first stop Atlantic City?
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Re: Casino Bus
« Reply #34 on: Feb 4th, 2007, 3:31pm » |
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on Feb 4th, 2007, 3:29pm, Icarus wrote:| Is the first stop Atlantic City? |
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No, recall I mentionned that 25 could get off at Atlantic City while keeping other parameters equal and the riddle would still be consistent.
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Re: Casino Bus
« Reply #35 on: Feb 4th, 2007, 5:38pm » |
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You are interpreting "25" or "15" by some other means than normal decimal numbers, maybe?
The bus starts empty. Only 15 people got on at the start, 5 of those left permanently at stop 1. No one else ever got on the bus (including by coming into being on the bus). Yet 15 (or 25) people got off at Atlantic City. You've agreed to all of this.
At this point, I can only think that this is a linguistic puzzle, not a "what happened" one.
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Re: Casino Bus
« Reply #36 on: Feb 4th, 2007, 7:43pm » |
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on Feb 4th, 2007, 5:38pm, Icarus wrote:You are interpreting "25" or "15" by some other means than normal decimal numbers, maybe?
The bus starts empty. Only 15 people got on at the start, 5 of those left permanently at stop 1. No one else ever got on the bus (including by coming into being on the bus). Yet 15 (or 25) people got off at Atlantic City. You've agreed to all of this.
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Well from where I stand it seems to me more of a "what happened" because something does happen to explain the difference at Atlantic City.
The numbers are regular decimal numbers and there is no real significance to 15 and 25. Could of picked different numbers at ATlantic City (26, 27, 38, 29, 20 etc) and it would work as well.
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Re: Casino Bus
« Reply #37 on: Feb 4th, 2007, 7:53pm » |
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Since Icarus et all seems stuck, it means time for a hint:
the bus company used by our fun loving casino players was Greyhound
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Re: Casino Bus
« Reply #38 on: Feb 4th, 2007, 8:11pm » |
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This might depend on your definition of embark, but did some passengers transfer?
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Re: Casino Bus
« Reply #39 on: Feb 4th, 2007, 8:26pm » |
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WTF: Nice guess but Passengers transfering from other busses to the one that left Newark would violate the constraint that "no other passengers embarked on the bus at the first or subsequent stop since departure from Newark". So something else happened.
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Re: Casino Bus
« Reply #40 on: Feb 4th, 2007, 9:37pm » |
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on Feb 4th, 2007, 12:57pm, Icarus wrote:
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A Biologist, Physicist, and Mathematician were following the bus in their own car, and observed all the goings-on. Upon seeing the 15 passengers get off, the Biologist exclaimed "they procreated!" "No", the Physicist replied, "it must be a measurement error." The mathematician responded "you know, if 5 more people will get on the bus, it will be empty." |
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Reminds me of the following one:
An astronomer, a physicist and a mathematician were holidaying in Scotland. Glancing from a train window, they observed a black sheep in the middle of a field. "How interesting" observed the astronomer, "all Scottish sheep are black!". To which the physicist reponded, "No, no! Some Scottish sheep are Black". The mathematician gazed heaveneward in supplication and then intoned, "In Scottland, there exists at least one field, containing at least one sheep, at least one side of which is black"
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Re: Casino Bus
« Reply #42 on: Feb 5th, 2007, 2:39am » |
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"when the bus arrived in Atlantic City" happened before the 15 passengers embarked in Newark. Maybe it is not even the same "Atlantic City" as the "Atlantic City, NJ", the intended destination of the 15 people from Newark.
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Re: Casino Bus
« Reply #43 on: Feb 5th, 2007, 7:07am » |
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on Feb 5th, 2007, 2:39am, Grimbal wrote:| "when the bus arrived in Atlantic City" happened before the 15 passengers embarked in Newark. Maybe it is not even the same "Atlantic City" as the "Atlantic City, NJ", the intended destination of the 15 people from Newark. |
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If there is another Atlantic City on Greyhound's published route from Newark to Atlantic City, NJ I would be very surprised but I would nonetheless accept it as an alternate solution.
There is in fact a version of the puzzle using diffrent locales where the destination city and intermediate city have the same name and your solution would be the correct one but this riddle is different.
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Re: Casino Bus
« Reply #44 on: Feb 5th, 2007, 7:07am » |
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on Feb 5th, 2007, 1:57am, towr wrote:| Does the bus have a revolving door policy? |
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Not sure what you mean here.
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Re: Casino Bus
« Reply #45 on: Feb 5th, 2007, 7:09am » |
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At this point WTF is the closest in terms of the intended answer.
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Re: Casino Bus
« Reply #46 on: Feb 5th, 2007, 7:19am » |
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Did any people other than passengers board the bus at any point along its route? If so, did their status change to passengers at some point before or upon arrival in Atlantic City?
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Re: Casino Bus
« Reply #47 on: Feb 5th, 2007, 7:25am » |
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If you're thinking did any bus drivers get on (and not count as passengers) and then come off as passengers, then no not the correct answer.
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Re: Casino Bus
« Reply #48 on: Feb 5th, 2007, 7:28am » |
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Hint 2: the published schedules for the Newark-Atlantic City route are available on Greyhound's web site. This riddle uses one of the the real published bus routes used by Greyhound
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Re: Casino Bus
« Reply #49 on: Feb 5th, 2007, 7:37am » |
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Transfers in Mt. Laurel and Philadelphia...
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